The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
"(Here Mr. Martin entered into a detail of the comparative
powers of each state, and stated their probable weakness and
strength.)
"At the beginning of our troubles with Great Britain, the
smaller states were attempted to be cajoled to submit to the
views of that nation, lest the larger states should usurp
their rights. We then answered them--your present plan is
slavery, which on the remote prospect of a distant evil, we
will not submit to.
"I would rather confederate with any single state, than
submit to the Virginia plan. But we are already
confederated, and no power on earth can dissolve it but by
the consent of _all_ the contracting powers--and four
states, on this floor, have already declared their
opposition to annihilate it. Is the old confederation
dissolved, because some of the states wish a new
confederation?"--Yates, _Secret Proceedings_, etc., 177.
M^r Lansing & M^r Dayton moved to strike out "not," so that the 7 art.
might read that the rights of suffrage in the 1^{st} branch ought to be
according to the rule established by the Confederation."
M^r Dayton expressed great anxiety that the question might not be put
till tomorrow; Govern^r Livingston being kept away by indisposition, and
the representation of N. Jersey thereby suspended.
M^r Williamson, thought that if any political truth could be grounded on
mathematical demonstration, it was that if the States were equally
sovereign now, and parted with equal proportions of sovereignty, that
they would remain equally sovereign. He could not comprehend how the
smaller States would be injured in the case, and wished some Gentleman
would vouchsafe a solution of it. He observed that the small States, if
they had a plurality of votes would have an interest in throwing the
burdens off their own shoulders on those of the large ones. He begged
that the expected addition of new States from the Westward might be kept
in view. They would be small States, they would be poor States, they
would be unable to pay in proportion to their numbers; their distance
from market rendering the produce of their labour less valuable; they
would consequently be tempted to combine for the purpose of laying
burdens on com[~m]erce & consumption which would fall with greatest
weight on the old States.
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