The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1
Madison, James
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It has given me great pleasure to observe that till this point,
the proportion of representation, came before us, our debates
were carried on with great coolness & temper. If any thing of a
contrary kind, has on this occasion appeared. I hope it will not
be repeated; for we are sent here to _consult_, not to
_contend_, with each other; and declarations of a fixed opinion,
and of determined resolution, never to change it, neither
enlighten nor convince us. Positiveness and warmth on one side,
naturally beget their like on the other; and tend to create and
augment discord & division in a great concern, wherein harmony &
Union are extremely necessary to give weight to our Councils,
and render them effectual in promoting & securing the common
good.
I must own that I was originally of opinion it would be better
if every member of Congress, or our national Council, were to
consider himself rather as a representative of the whole, than
as an Agent for the interests of a particular State; in which
case the proportion of members for each State would be of less
consequence, & it would not be very material whether they voted
by States or individually. But as I find this is not to be
expected, I now think the number of Representatives should bear
some proportion to the number of the Represented; and that the
decisions sh^d be by the majority of members, not by the
majority of the States. This is objected to from an apprehension
that the greater States would then swallow up the smaller. I do
not at present clearly see what advantage the greater States
could propose to themselves by swallowing up the smaller, and
therefore do not apprehend they would attempt it. I recollect
that in the beginning of this Century, When the Union was
proposed of the two Kingdoms, England & Scotland, the Scotch
Patriots were full of fears, that unless they had an equal
number of Representatives in Parliament, they should be ruined
by the superiority of the English. They finally agreed however
that the different proportions of importance in the Union, of
the two Nations should be attended to, whereby they were to have
only forty members in the House of Commons, and only sixteen in
the House of Lords; A very great inferiority of numbers! And yet
to this day I do not recollect that any thing has been done in
the Parliament of Great Britain to the prejudice of Scotland;
and whoever looks over the lists of Public officers, Civil &
Military of that nation will find I believe that the North
Britons enjoy at least their full proportion of emolument.
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