The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
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After some further expressions from others denoting an apprehension that
the seat of Gov^t might be continued at an improper place if a law
should be made necessary to a removal, and the motion above stated with
another for recommitting the section had been negatived, the section was
left in the shape in which it was reported as to this point. The words,
"during the session of the Legislature" were prefixed to the 8^{th}
section--and the last sentence "But this regulation shall not extend to
the Senate when it shall exercise the powers mentioned in the ----
article" struck out. The 8^{th} section as amended was then agreed to.
M^r Randolph moved according to notice to reconsider Art: IV. Sect. 5.
concerning money bills which had been struck out. He argued 1. that he
had not wished for this privilege whilst a proportional Representation
in the Senate was in contemplation, but since an equality had been fixed
in that house, the large States would require this compensation at
least. 2. that it would make the plan more acceptable to the people,
because they will consider the Senate as the more aristocratic body, and
will expect that the usual guards ag^{st} its influence be provided
according to the example in G. Britain. 3. the privilege will give some
advantage to the House of Rep^s if it extends to the originating
only--but still more if it restrains the Senate from amend^g. 4. he
called on the smaller States to concur in the measure, as the condition
by which alone the compromise had entitled them to an equality in the
Senate. He signified that he should propose instead of the original
section, a clause specifying that the bills in question should be for
the purpose of Revenue, in order to repel y^e objection ag^{st} the
extent of the words, "_raising money_," which might happen incidentally,
and that the Senate should not so amend or alter as to increase or
diminish the sum; in order to obviate the inconveniences urged ag^{st} a
restriction of the Senate to a simple affirmation or negative.
M^r Williamson 2^{ded} the motion.
M^r Pinkney was sorry to oppose the opportunity gentlemen asked to have
the question again opened for discussion, but as he considered it a mere
waste of time he could not bring himself to consent to it. He said that
notwithstanding what had been said as to the compromise, he always
considered this section as making no part of it. The rule of
Representation in the 1^{st} branch was the true condition of that in
the 2^d branch.--Several others spoke for & ag^{st} the reconsideration,
but without going into the merits.--On the Question to reconsider
N. H. ay. Mass. ay. C^t ay. N. J.[22] ay. P^a ay. Del. ay.
M^d no. V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. div^d. Geo. ay.--Monday was then
assigned--
[22] In the printed Journal N. Jersey--no.--Madison's Note.
Adj^d.[23]
[23] The next day being Sunday, Madison wrote to his father:
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