The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
Col. Mason. This amendment removes all the objections urged ag^{st} the
section as it stood at first. By specifying _purposes of revenue_, it
obviated the objection that the section extended to all bills under
which money might incidentally arise. By authorizing amendments in the
Senate it got rid of the objections that the Senate could not correct
errors of any sort, & that it would introduce into the House of Rep^s
the practice of tacking foreign matter to money bills. These objections
being removed, the arguments in favor of the proposed restraint on the
Senate ought to have their full force. 1. the Senate did not represent
the _people_, but the _States_ in their political character. It was
improper therefore that it should tax the people. The reason was the
same ag^{st} their doing it; as it had been ag^{st} Cong^s doing it. Nor
was it in any respect necessary in order to cure the evils of our
Republican system. He admitted that notwithstanding the superiority of
the Republican form over every other, it had its evils. The chief ones,
were the danger of the majority oppressing the minority, and the
mischievous influence of demagogues. The Gen^l Government of itself will
cure them. As the States will not concur at the same time in their
unjust & oppressive plans, the General Gov^t will be able to check &
defeat them, whether they result from the wickedness of the majority, or
from the misguidance of demagogues. Again, the Senate is not like the H.
of Rep^s chosen frequently and obliged to return frequently among the
people. They are to be chosen by the Sts for 6 years, will probably
settle themselves at the seat of Gov^t will pursue schemes for their own
aggrandisement--will be able by weary^g out the H. of Rep^s and taking
advantage of their impatience at the close of a long Session, to extort
measures for that purpose. If they should be paid as he expected would
be yet determined & wished to be so, out of the Nat^l Treasury, they
will particularly extort an increase of their wages. A bare negative was
a very different thing from that of originating bills. The practice in
Engl^d was in point. The House of Lords does not represent nor tax the
people, because not elected by the people. If the Senate can originate,
they will in the recess of the Legislative Sessions, hatch their
mischievous projects, for their own purposes, and have their money bills
ready cut & dried (to use a common phrase) for the meeting of the H. of
Rep^s. He compared the case to Poyning's law--and signified that the
House of Rep^s might be rendered by degrees like the Parliament of
Paris, the mere depository of the decrees of the Senate. As to the
compromise so much had passed on that subject that he would say nothing
about it. He did not mean by what he had said to oppose the permanency
of the Senate. On the contrary he had no repugnance to an increase of
it--nor to allowing it a negative, though the Senate was not by its
present constitution entitled to it.
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