The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Gerry took notice that there was no check here ag^{st} standing
armies in time of peace. The existing Cong^s is so constructed that it
cannot of itself maintain an army. This w^d not be the case under the
new system. The people were jealous on this head, and great opposition
to the plan would spring from such an omission. He suspected that
preparations of force were now making ag^{st} it. (he seemed to allude
to the activity of the Gov^r of N. York at this crisis in disciplining
the militia of that State.) He thought an army dangerous in time of
peace & could never consent to a power to keep up an indefinite number.
He proposed that there shall not be kept up in time of peace more than
---- thousand troops. His idea was that the blank should be filled with
two or three thousand.
Instead of "to build and equip fleets"--"to provide and maintain a navy"
agreed to nem. con. as a more convenient definition of the power.
"To make rules for the Government and regulation of the land & naval
forces," added from the existing Articles of Confederation.
M^r L. Martin and M^r Gerry now regularly moved "provided that in time
of peace the army shall not consist of more than ---- thousand men."
Gen^l Pinkney asked whether no troops were ever to be raised untill an
attack should be made on us?
M^r Gerry. If there be no restriction, a few States may establish a
military Gov^t.
M^r Williamson, reminded him of M^r Mason's motion for limiting the
appropriation of revenue as the best guard in this case.
M^r Langdon saw no room for M^r Gerry's distrust of the Representatives
of the people.
M^r Dayton. Preparations for war are generally made in peace; and a
standing force of some sort may, for ought we know, become unavoidable.
He should object to no restrictions consistent with these ideas.
The motion of M^r Martin and M^r Gerry was disagreed to nem. con.
M^r Mason moved as an additional power "to make laws for the regulation
and discipline of the militia of the several States, reserving to the
States the appointment of the officers." He considered uniformity as
necessary in the regulation of the Militia throughout the Union.
Gen^l Pinkney mentioned a case during the war in which a dissimilarity
in the militia of different States had produced the most serious
mischiefs. Uniformity was essential. The States would never keep up a
proper discipline of their militia.
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