The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r King suggested that all unlocated lands of particular States ought
to be given up if State debts were to be assumed:--M^r Williamson
concurred in the idea.
A Grand Committee was appointed consisting of M^r Langdon, M^r King, M^r
Sherman, M^r Livingston, M^r Clymer, M^r Dickenson, M^r M^cHenry, M^r
Mason, M^r Williamson, M^r C. C. Pinkney, M^r Baldwin.
M^r Rutlidge remarked on the length of the Session, the probable
impatience of the public and the extreme anxiety of many members of the
Convention to bring the business to an end; concluding with a motion
that the Convention meet henceforward precisely at 10 Oc A.M. and that
precisely at 4 Oc P.M. the President adjourn the House without motion
for the purpose, and that no motion to adjourn sooner be allowed.
On this question
N. H. ay. Mass. ay. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. ay. M^d no.
V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
M^r Elseworth observed that a Council had not yet been provided for the
President. He conceived there ought to be one. His proposition was that
it should be composed of the President of the Senate, the Chief Justice,
and the ministers as they might be estab^d for the departments of
foreign & domestic affairs, war finance and marine, who should advise
but not conclude the President.
M^r Pinkney wished the proposition to lie over, as notice had been given
for a like purpose by M^r Gov^r Morris who was not then on the floor.
His own idea was that the President sh^d be authorized to call for
advice or not as he might chuse. Give him an able Council and it will
thwart him; a weak one and he will shelter himself under their sanction.
M^r Gerry was ag^{st} letting the heads of the Departments, particularly
of finance have any thing to do in business connected with legislation.
He mentioned the Chief Justice also as particularly exceptionable. These
men will also be so taken up with other matters as to neglect their own
proper duties.
M^r Dickenson urged that the great appointments should be made by the
Legislature in which case they might properly be consulted by the
Executive, but not if made by the Executive himself--This subject by
general consent lay over; & the House proceeded to the clause "To raise
armies."
M^r Ghorum moved to add "and support" after "raise." Agreed to nem. con.
and then the clause was agreed to nem. con. as amended.
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