The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r King observed that the controversy relating to Treason might be of
less magnitude than was supposed; as the Legislature might punish
capitally under other names than Treason.
M^r Gov^r Morris and M^r Randolph wished to substitute the words of the
British Statute and moved to postpone Sect 2. art VII in order to
consider the following substitute--"Whereas it is essential to the
preservation of liberty to define precisely and exclusively what shall
constitute the crime of Treason, it is therefore ordained, declared &
established, that if a man do levy war ag^{st} the U. S. within their
territories, or be adherent to the enemies of the U. S. within the said
territories, giving them aid and comfort within their territories or
elsewhere, and thereof be provably attainted of open deed by the people
of his condition, he shall be adjudged guilty of Treason."
On this question
N. H.--Mas. no. C^t no. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a ay. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
It was then moved to strike out "ag^{st} United States" after "treason"
so as to define treason generally, and on this question
Mass. ay. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay. V^a no.
N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
It was then moved to insert after "two witnesses" the words "to the same
overt act."
Doc^r Franklin wished this amendment to take place. prosecutions for
treason were generally virulent; and perjury too easily made use of
against innocence.
M^r Wilson. much may be said on both sides. Treason may sometimes be
practised in such a manner, as to render proof extremely difficult--as
in a traitorous correspondence with an Enemy.
On the question--as to some overt act
N. H. ay. Mass. ay. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
M^r King moved to insert before the word "power" the word "sole," giving
the U. States the exclusive right to declare the punishment of Treason.
M^r Broom 2^{ds} the motion.
M^r Wilson in cases of a general nature, treason can only be ag^{st} the
U-- States, and in such they sh^d have the sole right to declare the
punishment--yet in many cases it may be otherwise. The subject was
however intricate and he distrusted his present judgment on it.
M^r King this amendment results from the vote defining treason generally
by striking out ag^{st} the U. States, which excludes any treason
ag^{st} particular States. These may however punish offences as high
misdemeanors.
On inserting the word "sole." It passed in the negative
N. H. ay. Mas. ay. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo. no.--
M^r Wilson. the clause is ambiguous now. "Sole" ought either to have
been inserted, or "against the U. S." to be re-instated.
M^r King no line can be drawn between levying war and adhering to enemy
ag^{st} the U. States and ag^{st} an individual State--Treason ag^{st}
the latter must be so ag^{st} the former.
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