The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
[36] "Mr. Fitzsimons is a Merchant of considerable talents, and
speaks very well I am told, in the Legislature of
Pennsylvania. He is about 40 years old."--Pierce's Notes,
_Am. Hist. Rev._, iii., 328.
Col. Mason. If he were for reducing the States to mere corporations as
seemed to be the tendency of some arguments, he should be for subjecting
their exports as well as imports to a power of general taxation. He went
on a principle often advanced & in which he concurred, that "a majority
when interested will oppress the minority." This maxim had been verified
by our own Legislature (of Virginia). If we compare the States in this
point of view the 8 Northern States have an interest different from the
five South^n States; and have in one branch of the legislature 36 votes
ag^{st} 29. and in the other in the proportion of 8 ag^{st} 5. The
Southern States had therefore ground for their suspicions. The case of
Exports was not the same with that of imports. The latter were the same
throughout the States; the former very different. As to Tobacco other
nations do raise it, and are capable of raising it as well as Virg^a &c.
The impolicy of taxing that article had been demonstrated by the
experiment of Virginia.
M^r Clymer[37] remarked that every State might reason with regard to its
particular productions, in the same manner as the Southern States. The
middle States may apprehend an oppression of their wheat flour,
provisions &c. and with more reason, as these articles were exposed to a
competition in foreign markets not incident to Tob^o rice &c. They may
apprehend also combinations ag^{st} them between the Eastern & Southern
States as much as the latter can apprehend them between the Eastern &
middle. He moved as a qualification of the power of taxing Exports that
it should be restrained to regulations of trade by inserting after the
word "duty" sect 4 art VII the words, "for the purpose of revenue."
[37] "Mr. Clymer is a Lawyer of some abilities;--he is a
respectable Man and much esteemed. Mr. Clymer is about 40
years old."--Pierce's Notes, _Am. Hist. Rev._, iii., 328.
On question on M^r Clymer's motion
N. H. no. Mass. no. C^t no. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
M^r Madison. In order to require 2/3 of each House to tax exports, as a
lesser evil than a total prohibition moved to insert the words "unless
by consent of two thirds of the Legislature."
M^r Wilson 2^{ds} and on this question, it passed in the Negative.
N. H. ay. Mass. ay. C^t no. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d no.
V^a no (Col. Mason, M^r Randolph M^r Blair no. Gen^l Washington
& J. M. ay.) N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
Question on Sect: 4. Art VII. as far as to "no tax sh^l be laid on
exports"--it passed in the affirmative.
N. H. no. Mass. ay. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no. M^d ay.
V^a ay. (Gen^l W. & J. M. no) N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
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