The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Randolph observing that almost every Speaker had made objections to
the clause as it stood, moved in order to a further consideration of the
subject, that the motion of M^r Gov^r Morris should be postponed, and on
this question It was lost the States being equally divided.
Mass^{ts} no. Con^t no. N. J. ay. Pen^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a ay. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
On M^r Gov^r Morris motion
Mass^{ts} no. Con^t no. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. div^d. S. C. no. Geo. no.
The several clauses of Sect: 1. Art IX, were then separately postponed
after inserting "and other public ministers" next after "ambassadors."
M^r Madison hinted for consideration, whether a distinction might not be
made between different sorts of Treaties--allowing the President &
Senate to make Treaties eventual and of alliance for limited terms--and
requiring the concurrence of the whole Legislature in other Treaties.
The 1^{st} Sect Art IX. was finally referred nem: con: to the committee
of Five, and the House then
Adjourned.
FRIDAY AUGUST 24. 1787. IN CONVENTION
Governour Livingston, from the Committee of Eleven, to whom were
referred the two remaining clauses of the 4^{th} Sect & the 5 & 6 Sect:
of the 7^{th}. Art: delivered in the following Report:
"Strike out so much of the 4^{th} Sect: as was referred to the
Committee and insert--'The migration or importation of such
persons as the several States now existing shall think proper to
admit, shall not be prohibited by the Legislature prior to the
year 1800, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such migration or
importation at a rate not exceeding the average of the duties
laid on imports.'"
"The 5 Sect: to remain as in the Report."
"The 6 Sect, to be stricken out."
M^r Butler, according to notice, moved that clause 1^{st} sect. 1. of
art VII, as to the discharge of debts, be reconsidered tomorrow. He
dwelt on the division of opinion concerning the domestic debts, and the
different pretensions of the different classes of holders. Gen^l Pinkney
2^{ded} him.
M^r Randolph wished for a reconsideration in order to better the
expression, and to provide for the case of the State debts as is done by
Congress.
On the question for reconsidering
N. H. no. Mass. ay. Con^t ay. N. J. ay. Pen^a absent. Del. ay.
M^d no. V^a ay. N. C. absent. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.--and tomorrow
assigned for the reconsideration.
Sect: 2 & 3 of art: IX being taken up,
M^r Rutlidge said this provision for deciding controversies between the
States was necessary under the Confederation, but will be rendered
unnecessary by the National Judiciary now to be established, and moved
to strike it out.
Doc^r Johnson 2^{ded} the motion.
M^r Sherman concurred: so did M^r Dayton.
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