The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Wilson urged the reasonableness of giving the larger States a larger
share of the appointment, and the danger of delay from a disagreement of
the two Houses. He remarked also that the Senate had peculiar powers
balancing the advantage given by a joint ballot in this case to the
other branch of the Legislature.
M^r Langdon. This general officer ought to be elected by the joint &
general voice. In N. Hampshire the mode of separate votes by the two
Houses was productive of great difficulties. The negative of the Senate
would hurt the feelings of the man elected by the votes of the other
branch. He was for inserting "joint" tho' unfavorable to N. Hampshire as
a small State.
M^r Wilson remarked that as the President of the Senate was to be the
President of the U. S. that Body in cases of vacancy might have an
interest in throwing dilatory obstacles in the way, if its separate
concurrence should be required.
M^r Madison. If the amendment be agreed to the rule of voting will give
to the largest State, compared with the smallest, an influence as 4 to 1
only, altho the population is as 10 to 1. This surely cannot be
unreasonable as the President is to act for the _people_ not for the
_States_. The President of the _Senate_ also is to be occasionally
President of the U. S. and by his negative alone can make 3/4 of the
other branch necessary to the passage of a law. This is another
advantage enjoyed by the Senate.
On the question for inserting "joint," it passed in the affirmative.
N. H. ay. Mass^{ts} ay. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. ay.
M^d no. V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. no.
M^r Dayton then moved to insert, after the word "Legislatures" the words
"each State having one vote." M^r Brearly 2^{ded} him, and on the
question it passed in the negative.
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
M^r Pinkney moved to insert after the word "Legislature" the words "to
which election a majority of the votes of the members present shall be
required" & on this question, it passed in the affirmative.
N. H. ay. Mass. ay. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
M^r Read moved "that in case the numbers for the two highest in votes
should be equal, then the President of the Senate shall have an
additional casting vote," which was disagreed to by a general negative.
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