The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
"The members of each House shall be incapable of holding any
office under the U. S. for which they or any other for their
benefit, receive any salary, fees or emoluments of any kind, and
the acceptance of such office shall vacate their seats
respectively." He was strenuously opposed to an ineligibility of
members to office, and therefore wished to restrain the
proposition to a mere incompatibility. He considered the
eligibility of members of the Legislature to the honourable
offices of Government, as resembling the policy of the Romans,
in making the temple of virtue the road to the temple of fame.
On this question
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a ay. M^d no. V^a no.
N. C. ay. S. C. no. Geo. no.
M^r King moved to insert the word "created" before the word "during" in
the Report of the Committee. This he said would exclude the members of
the first Legislature under the Constitution, as most of the offices w^d
then be created.
M^r Williamson 2^{ded} the motion. He did not see why members of the
Legislature should be ineligible to _vacancies_ happening during the
term of their election.
M^r Sherman was for entirely incapacitating members of the Legislature.
He thought their eligibility to offices would give too much influence to
the Executive. He said the incapacity ought at least to be extended to
cases where salaries should be _increased_, as well as _created_, during
the term of the member. He mentioned also the expedient by which the
restriction could be evaded to wit: an existing officer might be
translated to an office created, and a member of the Legislature be then
put into the office vacated.
M^r Gov^r Morris contended that the eligibility of members to office w^d
lessen the influence of the Executive. If they cannot be appointed
themselves, the Executive will appoint their relations & friends,
retaining the service & votes of the members for his purposes in the
Legislature. Whereas the appointment of the members deprives him of such
an advantage.
M^r Gerry, thought the eligibility of members would have the effect of
opening batteries ag^{st} good officers, in order to drive them out &
make way for members of the Legislature.
M^r Gorham was in favor of the amendment. Without it we go further than
has been done in any of the States, or indeed any other Country. The
experience of the State Governments where there was no such
ineligibility, proved that it was not necessary; on the contrary that
the eligibility was among the inducements for fit men to enter into the
Legislative service.
M^r Randolph was inflexibly fixed against inviting men into the
Legislature by the prospect of being appointed to offices.
M^r Baldwin remarked that the example of the States was not applicable.
The Legislatures there are so numerous that an exclusion of their
members would not leave proper men for offices. The case would be
otherwise in the General Government.
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