The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
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M^r Gov^r Morris thought the point of less consequence than it was
supposed on both sides. It is probable that a majority of the votes will
fall on the same man. As each Elector is to give two votes, more than
1/4 will give a majority. Besides as one vote is to be given to a man
out of the State, and as this vote will not be thrown away, 1/2 the
votes will fall on characters eminent & generally known. Again if the
President shall have given satisfaction, the votes will turn on him of
course, and a majority of them will reappoint him, without resort to the
Senate: If he should be disliked, all disliking him, would take care to
unite their votes so as to ensure his being supplanted.
Col. Mason those who think there is no danger of there not being a
majority for the same person in the first instance, ought to give up the
point to those who think otherwise.
M^r Sherman reminded the opponents of the new mode proposed that if the
small States had the advantage in the Senate's deciding among the five
highest candidates the large States would have in fact the nomination of
these candidates.
On the motion of Col: Mason
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no.
M^d ay.[52] V^a no. N. C. ay. S. C. no. Geo. no.
[52] In printed Journal Maryland--no--Madison's Note.
M^r Wilson moved to strike out "Senate" and insert the word
"Legislature."
M^r Madison considered it as a primary object to render an eventual
resort to any part of the Legislature improbable. He was apprehensive
that the proposed alteration would turn the attention of the large
States too much to the appointment of candidates, instead of aiming at
an effectual appointment of the officer, as the large States would
predominate in the Legislature which would have the final choice out of
the candidates. Whereas if the Senate in which the small States
predominate should have the final choice, the concerted effort of the
large States would be to make the appointment in the first instance
conclusive.
M^r Randolph. We have in some revolutions of this plan made a bold
stroke for Monarchy. We are now doing the same for an aristocracy. He
dwelt on the tendency of such an influence in the Senate over the
election of the President in addition to its other powers, to convert
that body into a real & dangerous Aristocracy.
M^r Dickinson was in favor of giving the eventual election to the
Legislature, instead of the Senate. It was too much influence to be
superadded to that body.
On the question moved by M^r Wilson
N. H. div^d. Mas. no. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a ay. N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo. no.
M^r Madison & M^r Williamson moved to strike out the word "majority" and
insert "one-third" so that the eventual power might not be exercised if
less than a majority, but not less than 1/3 of the Electors should vote
for the same person.
M^r Gerry objected that this would put it in the power of three or four
States to put in whom they pleased.
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