The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
Resolved that the foregoing plan of a Constitution be
transmitted to the U. S. in Congress assembled, in order that if
the same shall be agreed to by them, it may be communicated to
the Legislatures of the several States, to the end that they may
provide for its final ratification by referring the same to the
Consideration of a Convention of Deputies in each State to be
chosen by the people thereof, and that it be recommended to the
said Legislatures in their respective acts for organizing such
convention to declare, that if the said Convention shall approve
of the said Constitution, such approbation shall be binding and
conclusive upon the State, and further that if the said
Convention should be of opinion that the same upon the assent of
any nine States thereto, ought to take effect between the States
so assenting, such opinion shall thereupon be also binding upon
such a State, and the said Constitution shall take effect
between the States assenting thereto.
M^r Gerry 2^{ded} the motion.
M^r Wilson. This motion being seconded, it is necessary now to speak
freely. He expressed in strong terms his disapprobation of the expedient
proposed, particularly the suspending the plan of the Convention on the
approbation of Congress. He declared it to be worse than folly to rely
on the concurrence of the Rhode Island members of Cong^s in the plan.
Maryland has voted on this floor; for requiring the unanimous assent of
the 13 States to the proposed change in the federal System. N. York has
not been represented for a long time past in the Convention. Many
individual deputies from other States have spoken much against the plan.
Under these circumstances can it be safe to make the assent of Congress
necessary. After spending four or five months in the laborious & arduous
task of forming a Government for our Country, we are ourselves at the
close throwing insuperable obstacles in the way of its success.
M^r Clymer thought that the mode proposed by M^r Hamilton would fetter &
embarrass Cong^s as much as the original one, since it equally involved
a breach of the articles of Confederation.
M^r King concurred with M^r Clymer. If Congress can accede to one mode,
they can to the other. If the approbation of Congress be made necessary,
and they should not approve, the State Legislatures will not propose the
plan to Conventions; or if the States themselves are to provide that
nine States shall suffice to establish the System, that provision will
be omitted, every thing will go into confusion, and all our labor be
lost.
M^r Rutlidge viewed the matter in the same light with M^r King.
On the question to postpone in order to take up Col: Hamilton's motion
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
A Question being then taken on the article XXI. It was agreed to
unanimously.
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