The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a no. Del.no. M^d no. V^a
no. N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
Art. I. sect. 4. "except as to the places of choosing Senators" was
added nem: con: to the end of the first clause, in order to exempt the
seats of Gov^t in the States from the power of Congress.
Art. I. Sect. 5. "Each House shall keep a Journal of its proceedings,
and from time to time publish the same, excepting such parts as may in
their judgment require secrecy."
Col: Mason & M^r Gerry moved to insert after the word "parts," the words
"of the proceedings of the Senate" so as to require publication of all
the proceedings of the House of Representatives.
It was intimated on the other side that cases might arise where secrecy
might be necessary in both Houses. Measures preparatory to a declaration
of war in which the House of Rep^s was to concur, were instanced.
On the question, it passed in the negative.
N. H. no. (Rh. I. abs.) Mas. no. Con: no,(N. Y. abs.) N. J. no.
Pen. ay. Del. no. Mary. ay. Virg. no. N. C. ay. S. C. div^d.
Geor. no.
M^r Baldwin observed that the clause, Art. I. Sect. 6. declaring that no
member of Cong^s "during the time for which he was elected, shall be
appointed to any Civil office under the authority of the U. S. which
shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been
increased during such time," would not extend to offices _created by the
Constitution_; and the salaries of which would be created, _not
increased_ by Cong^s at their first session. The members of the first
Cong^s consequently might evade the disqualification in this
instance.--He was neither seconded nor opposed; nor did any thing
further pass on the subject.
Art. I. Sect. 8. The Congress "may by joint ballot appoint a Treasurer"
M^r Rutlidge moved to strike out this power, and let the Treasurer be
appointed in the same manner with other officers.
M^r Gorham & M^r King said that the motion, if agreed to, would have a
mischievous tendency. The people are accustomed & attached to that mode
of appointing Treasurers, and the innovation will multiply objections to
the system.
M^r Gov^r Morris remarked that if the Treasurer be not appointed by the
Legislature, he will be more narrowly watched, and more readily
impeached.
M^r Sherman. As the two Houses appropriate money, it is best for them to
appoint the officer who is to keep it; and to appoint him as they make
the appropriation, not by joint but several votes.
Gen^l Pinkney. The Treasurer is appointed by joint ballot in South
Carolina. The consequence is that bad appointments are made, and the
Legislature will not listen to the faults of their own officer.
On the motion to strike out
N. H. ay. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
Art I sect. 8. "but all such duties imposts & excises, shall be uniform
throughout the U. S." were unanimously annexed to the power of taxation.
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