The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Gerry described the painful feelings of his situation, and the
embarrassments under which he rose to offer any further observations on
the subject w^{ch}. had been finally decided. Whilst the plan was
depending, he had treated it with all the freedom he thought it
deserved. He now felt himself bound as he was disposed to treat it with
the respect due to the Act of the Convention. He hoped he should not
violate that respect in declaring on this occasion his fears that a
Civil war may result from the present crisis of the U.S. In
Massachusetts, particularly he saw the danger of this calamitous
event--In that State there are two parties, one devoted to Democracy,
the worst he thought of all political evils, the other as violent in the
opposite extreme. From the collision of these in opposing and resisting
the Constitution, confusion was greatly to be feared. He had thought it
necessary, for this & other reasons that the plan should have been
proposed in a more mediating shape, in order to abate the heat and
opposition of parties. As it had been passed by the Convention, he was
persuaded it would have a contrary effect. He could not therefore by
signing the Constitution pledge himself to abide by it at all events.
The proposed form made no difference with him. But if it were not
otherwise apparent, the refusals to sign should never be known from him.
Alluding to the remarks of Doc^r Franklin, he could not he said but view
them as levelled at himself and the other gentlemen who meant not to
sign.
Gen^l Pinkney. We are not likely to gain many converts by the ambiguity
of the proposed form of signing. He thought it best to be candid and let
the form speak the substance. If the meaning of the signers be left in
doubt, his purpose would not be answered. He should sign the
Constitution with a view to support it with all his influence, and
wished to pledge himself accordingly.
Doc^r Franklin. It is too soon to pledge ourselves before Congress and
our Constituents shall have approved the plan.
M^r Ingersol[105] did not consider the signing, either as a mere
attestation of the fact, or as pledging the signers to support the
Constitution at all events; but as a recommendation, of what, all things
considered, was the most eligible.
[105] "Mr. Ingersol is a very able Attorney and possesses a
clear legal understanding. He is well educated in the
Classic's, and is a Man of very extensive reading. Mr.
Ingersol speaks well, and comprehends his subject fully.
There is modesty in his character that keeps him back. He is
about 36 years old."--Pierce's Notes, _Amer. Hist. Rev._,
iii., 329.
On the motion of Doc^r Franklin
N. H. ay. Mas. ay. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. div^d.[106] Geo. ay.
[106] Gen^l Pinkney & M^r Butler disliked the equivocal form
of the signing, and on that account voted in the
negative.--Madison's Note.
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