The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Strong supposed that there would be no necessity, if the Executive
should be appointed by the Legislature, to make him ineligible a 2^d
time; as new elections of the Legislature will have intervened; and he
will not depend for his 2^d appointment on the same sett of men as his
first was rec^d from. It had been suggested that _gratitude_ for his
past appointment w^d produce the same effect as dependence for his
future appointment. He thought very differently. Besides this objection
would lie ag^{st} the Electors who would be objects of gratitude as well
as the Legislature. It was of great importance not to make the Gov^t too
complex which would be the case if a new sett of men like the Electors
should be introduced into it. He thought also that the first characters
in the States would not feel sufficient motives to undertake the office
of Electors.
M^r Williamson was for going back to the original ground; to elect the
Executive for 7 years and render him ineligible a 2^d time. The proposed
Electors would certainly not be men of the 1^{st} nor even of the 2^d
grade in the States. These would all prefer a seat either in the Senate
or the other branch of the Legislature. He did not like the Unity in the
Executive. He had wished the Executive power to be lodged in three men
taken from three districts into which the States should be divided. As
the Executive is to have a kind of veto on the laws, and there is an
essential difference of interests between the N. & S. States,
particularly in the carrying trade, the power will be dangerous, if the
Executive is to be taken from part of the Union, to the part from which
he is not taken. The case is different here from what it is in England;
where there is a sameness of interests throughout the Kingdom. Another
objection ag^{st} a single Magistrate is that he will be an elective
King, and will feel the spirit of one. He will spare no pains to keep
himself in for life, and will then lay a train for the succession of his
children. It was pretty certain he thought that we should at some time
or other have a King; but he wished no precaution to be omitted that
might postpone the event as long as possible.--Ineligibility a 2^d time
appeared to him to be the best precaution. With this precaution he had
no objection to a longer term than 7 years. He would go as far as 10 or
12 years.
M^r Gerry moved that the Legislatures of the States should vote by
ballot for the Executive in the same proportions as it had been proposed
they should chuse electors; and that in case a majority of the votes
should not centre on the same person, the 1^{st} branch of the Nat^l
Legislature should chuse two out of the 4 candidates having most votes,
and out of these two, the 2^d branch should chuse the Executive.
M^r King seconded the motion--and on the Question to postpone in order
to take it into consideration. The _noes_ were so predominant, that the
States were not counted.
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