The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Madison also thought something valuable might be made of the
suggestion with the proposed amendment of it. The second best man in
this case would probably be the first, in fact. The only objection which
occurred was that each Citizen after hav^g given his vote for his
favorite fellow Citizen, w^d throw away his second on some obscure
Citizen of another State, in order to ensure the object of his first
choice. But it could hardly be supposed that the Citizens of many States
would be so sanguine of having their favorite elected, as not to give
their second vote with sincerity to the next object of their choice. It
might moreover be provided in favor of the smaller States that the
Executive should not be eligible more than ---- times in ---- years from
the same State.
M^r Gerry. A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The
ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men
dispersed through the Union & acting in Concert to delude them into any
appointment. He observed that such a Society of men existed in the Order
of the Cincinnati. They are respectable, united, and influential. They
will in fact elect the chief Magistrate in every instance, if the
election be referred to the people. His respect for the characters
composing this Society could not blind him to the danger & impropriety
of throwing such a power into their hands.
M^r Dickinson. As far as he could judge from the discussions which had
taken place during his attendance, insuperable objections lay ag^{st} an
election of the Executive by the Nat^l Legislature; as also by the
Legislatures or Executives of the States. He had long leaned towards an
election by the people which he regarded as the best & purest source.
Objections he was aware lay ag^{st} this mode, but not so great he
thought as ag^{st} the other modes. The greatest difficulty in the
opinion of the House seemed to arise from the partiality of the States
to their respective Citizens. But might not this very partiality be
turned to a useful purpose. Let the people of each State chuse its best
Citizen. The people will know the most eminent characters of their own
States, and the people of different States will feel an emulation in
selecting those of which they will have the greatest reason to be proud.
Out of the thirteen names thus selected, an Executive Magistrate may be
chosen either by the Nat^l Legislature, or by Electors appointed by it.
On a Question which was moved for postponing M^r Pinkney's motion, in
order to make way for some such proposition as had been hinted by M^r
Williamson & others, it passed in the negative.
N. H. no. Mass. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d ay.
V^a ay. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
On M^r Pinkney's motion that no person shall serve in the Executive more
than 6 years in 12. years, it passed in the negative.
N. H. ay. Mass. ay. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
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