The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Gerry. If the Executive is to be elected by the Legislature he
certainly ought not to be re-eligible. This would make him absolutely
dependent. He was ag^{st} a popular election. The people are uninformed,
and would be misled by a few designing men. He urged the expediency of
an appointment of the Executive by Electors to be chosen by the State
Executives. The people of the States will then choose the 1^{st} branch;
the legislatures of the States the 2^d branch of the National
Legislature, and the Executives of the States, the National Executive.
This he thought would form a strong attachm^t in the States to the
National System. The popular mode of electing the chief Magistrate would
certainly be the worst of all. If he should be so elected & should do
his duty, he will be turned out for it like Gov^r Bowdoin in Mass^{ts} &
President Sullivan in N. Hampshire.
On the question on M^r Gov^r Morris motion to reconsider generally the
Constitution of the Executive
Mas. ay. C^t ay. N. J. ay. & all the others ay.
M^r Elseworth moved to strike out the appointm^t by the Nat^l
Legislature, and to insert, to be chosen by electors appointed by the
Legislatures of the States in the following ratio; to wit--one for each
State not exceeding 200,000[1] inhab^{ts} two for each above y^t number
& not exceeding 300,000. and three for each State exceeding
300,000.--M^r Broome 2^{ded}. the motion.[2]
[1] The Journal gives it 100,000.--_Journal of the Federal
Convention_, 190.
[2] "Mr. Broom is a plain good Man, with some abilities, but
nothing to render him conspicuous. He is silent in public,
but chearful and conversable in private. He is about 35
years old."--Pierce's Notes, _Am. Hist. Rev._, iii., 330.
M^r Rutlidge was opposed to all the modes, except the appointm^t by the
Nat^l Legislature. He will be sufficiently independent, if he be not
re-eligible.
M^r Gerry preferred the motion of M^r Elseworth to an appointm^t by the
Nat^l Legislature, or by the people; tho' not to an app^t by the State
Executives. He moved that the electors proposed by M^r E. should be 25
in number, and allotted in the following proportion. to N. H. 1. to Mas.
3. to R. I. 1. to Con^t 2. to N. Y. 2. N. J. 2. P^a 3. Del. 1. M^d 2.
V^a 3. N. C. 2. S. C. 2. Geo. 1.
The question as moved by M^r Elseworth being divided, on the 1^{st} part
shall y^e Nat^l Executive be appointed by Electors?
Mas. div^d. Con^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay. V^a ay.
N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
On 2^d part shall the Electors be chosen by the State Legislatures?
Mas. ay. Con^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay. V^a no.
N. C. ay. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
The part relating to the ratio in which the States s^d chuse electors
was postponed nem. con.
M^r L. Martin moved that the Executive be ineligible a 2^d time.
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