The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Elseworth moved that 2 Electors be allotted to N. H. Some rule ought
to be pursued; and N. H. has more than 100,000 inhabitants. He thought
it would be proper also to allot 2. to Georgia.
M^r Broom & M^r Martin moved to postpone M^r Gerry's allotment of
Electors, leaving a fit ratio to be reported by the Committee to be
appointed for detailing the Resolutions.
On this motion,
Mass. no. C^t no. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. ay. M^d ay. V^a no.
N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
M^r Houston 2^{ded} the motion of M^r Elseworth to add another Elector
to N. H. & Georgia. On the Question;
Mass. no. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no. M^d no. V^a no.
N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
M^r Williamson moved as an amendment to M^r Gerry's allotment of
Electors in the 1^{st} instance that in future elections of the Nat^l
Executive, the number of Electors to be appointed by the several States
shall be regulated by their respective numbers of Representatives in the
1^{st} branch pursuing as nearly as may be the present proportions.
On question on M^r Gerry's ratio of Electors
Mass. ay. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d no. V^a ay.
N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. no.
"to be removable on impeachment and conviction for malpractice or
neglect of duty," see Resol. 9.
M^r Pinkney & M^r Gov^r Morris moved to strike out this part of the
Resolution. M^r P. observ^d he ought not to be impeachable whilst in
office.
M^r Davie. If he be not impeachable whilst in office, he will spare no
efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected. He considered this
as an essential security for the good behaviour of the Executive.
M^r Wilson concurred in the necessity of making the Executive
impeachable whilst in office.
M^r Gov^r Morris. He can do no criminal act without Coadjutors who may
be punished. In case he should be re-elected, that will be a sufficient
proof of his innocence. Besides who is to impeach? Is the impeachment to
suspend his functions. If it is not the mischief will go on. If it is
the impeachment will be nearly equivalent to a displacement, and will
render the Executive dependent on those who are to impeach.
Col. Mason. No point is of more importance than that the right of
impeachment should be continued. Shall any man be above Justice? Above
all shall that man be above it, who can commit the most extensive
injustice? When great crimes were committed he was for punishing the
principal as well as the Coadjutors. There had been much debate &
difficulty as to the mode of chusing the Executive. He approved of that
which had been adopted at first, namely of referring the appointment to
the Nat^l Legislature. One objection ag^{st} Electors was the danger of
their being corrupted by the Candidates, & this furnished a peculiar
reason in favor of impeachments whilst in office. Shall the man who has
practised corruption & by that means procured his appointment in the
first instance, be suffered to escape punishment, by repeating his
guilt?
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