[341] Satir. II. 16. _W. E. Weber_ (“Die Satiren des _D. J. Juvenalis_.”—The Satires of Decimus Junius Juvenalis. Halle 1838.) is mistaken in his way of taking this passage. Not only does he in his translation assign Peribomius’ words to Juvenal himself, but also in the notes, pp. 286 sqq., gives quite wrong explanations of several words. For instance he says, “_inter Socraticos ... cinaedos_, (amongst the Socratic cinaedi), the Socratic breed of wantons, the kind that give themselves an air of sober and highly moral habits, like Socrates;” but really the poet merely meant to express the idea of later times that Socrates had been a paederast. Discussing the passage Weber remarks of Peribomius, “One who in looks and gait, as being effeminate and of a womanish dandified bearing, confesses his evil state,—one of enervation and womanish amorousness,” whereas as a matter of fact Peribomius makes no other confession than simply that he is a pathic. We are not to suppose any sort of intentional suppression of the facts, as indeed is shown both by the rest of the translation and also expressly on p. VI of the Preface; so we are bound to characterize what is said in these places as the result of downright mistake. [342] When _Juvenal_, V. 50., says: Hippo subit iuvenes et _morbo_ pallet _utroque_, (Hippo submits to young men, and is pale with a double disease), this must be understood to mean that Hippo is not only a pathic, but also a Fellator (see subsequently). Further Epigr. 131. of _Ausonius_ is to the point in this connection: Inguina quod calido levas tibi dropace, causa est: Irritant volsas levia membra lupas; Sed quod et elixo plantaria podice vellis, Et teris incusas pumice Clazomenas, Causa latet: _bimarem nisi quod patientia morbum Appetit et tergo femina, pube vires_. (The reason why you make the private parts smooth with hot pitch-ointment (as a depilatory) is this: Smooth limbs excite the passions of the harlots, plucked smooth themselves. But why you pluck the hair from your fundament, soaked in hot water first, and polish with pumice your well-pounded Clazomenae (i. e. buttocks) the reason is obscure: _unless indeed your long-suffering lust hankers for a double disease (vice),—a woman behind, in your member a strong man_). _Manilius_, Astronomica bk. V. vv. 140-156., says: