_Soc._ It remains then to enquire, who shall judge concerning this _sufficient proposal_, or sufficient reason, which I am said to have, to believe what the _Nicene_ Council, or the Church hath declared in this point. [79]Whether the Church's judgment is to be taken by me in this, or my own made use of; If _her judgment_, the ground of my belief and of Heresie lies still in the Church's _definition_; and thus it will be all one in effect, whether I believe what she declares, without sufficient reason; or learn this of her, when there is sufficient reason to believe so. It must be then, _my own judgment_, I am to be directed by in this matter[80]: and if so, then it is to be presumed, that God doth both afford me some means not to be mistaken therein; and also some certain knowledge when I do use this means aright: (for, without these two I can have no security in my own judgment in a matter of so high concernment, as _Heresie_ and _fundamental Faith_ is.) Now this means, in this matter, I presume I have daily used, in that I find my Conscience, after much examination, therein to acquit me, unless you can prescribe me some other surer evidence, without sending me back again to the _authority_ of the _Church_. _Prot._ 1. Whilst your discovery of your tenent to be an _Heresie_ depends on your having sufficient reason to believe it is so. And 2. The judgment of your having, or not having sufficient reason to believe this, is left to your self, the Church hath no means to know you or any other to be an Heretick, till they declare themselves to be so. And thus, in striving to free your self from Heresie, you have freed all mankind from it, (as to any external discovery and convincement thereof) and cancelled such a sin; unless we can find one, that will confess himself to maintain a thing against his own Conscience. _Soc._ If I, so do the Protestants; for, they also hold none guilty of _Heresie_, for denying any thing declared by the Church, unless they have reason to believe, that whatever is declared by the Church is revealed by God; and of this sufficient reason they make not the _Church_ or _Superiors_, but _themselves_, the Judge. [60] _p._ 271. [61] _p._ 134. [62] _p._ 98. 99. [63] _Chillingw. p._ 92. [64] _Chillingw. p._ 367. [65] _Ib._ 101. [66] _p._ 97. [67] _p._ 132. [68] _p._ 103. [69] _Titus_ 3. 11. [70] _Reply to Chalced. p._ 105. [71] _p._ 128. [72] _p._ 129. [73] _Heresie_, _p._ 114. [74] _Of Heresie p._ 96. [75] _Rat. Account. p._ 73. [76] _Stillingfl. p._ 99. [77] _Stillingfl. p._ 74. [78] _Ib. p._ 99. [79] _Stillingfl. p._ 73. [80] _See Still. p._ 479. CONFERENCE V. His Plea, for his not being guilty of _Schism_.