Mr. Pullman: "The reason is embodied in my statement, it is a matter of opinion, and then there is the principle involved. It is impossible under the circumstances." Mr. Worthington: "Impossible, what is impossible? Could not arbitration determine the principle involved?" Mr. Pullman: "As president of the company I do not care to give any other." Mr. Worthington then introduced a lease used between the company and its tenants. This provided that the tenants should make all repairs to plumbing, water pipes, gas, etc., and to surrender premises in good repair. When such repairs were made by the company, the amount was deducted from their salaries. Mr. Worthington: "Now, the company does not make any repairs, does it?" Mr. Pullman: "The company repairs the roofs or outside of the houses, I am not familiar with the details." Mr. Worthington: "But by the lease the tenants are bound to make all the repairs, it is stipulated that the tenant shall repay the company for all repairs made." Mr. Pullman: "I will have to refer you to some official of the company." (Laughter.) Mr. Worthington: "The rent is deducted monthly, is it not?" Mr. Pullman: "I am unable myself to identify that lease you handed me." Mr. Pullman concluded with the statement that the company declined to employ any member of the American Railway Union. Mr. Worthington again asked if the company could not afford to pay an increased scale of wages and this Mr. Pullman refused. Mr. Kernan: "When the general cut in salaries was made, was your salary reduced?" Mr. Pullman: "No." (Laughter.) Mr. Kernan: "That of officials, superintendents or foremen?" Mr. Pullman: "No." Mr. Wickes then took the stand. His evidence--which in main was documentary--embraced every detail of the strike. He admitted having promised members of the grievance committee that they would not be discharged, and said the agreement had not been broken by him. From statistics presented by Mr. Wickes, he claimed that the average rate of wages paid for the year ending in April, 1893, was $2.63 per day and for the same succeeding period $2.03, which fact, he said, disproved of statements made by strikers. In the case of Miss Jennie Curtis the books showed that her father had owed but $17.00 at the time of his death, which sum had never been repaid the company. Blacklisting, he said, had never been practiced by the Pullman Company, although the foreman kept a list of discharged men. He also said that the company had been losing $500 per month by furnishing water. He said that the men were advised by Mr. Howard not to strike.