He assisted the officer (Boxhall) to fire distress signals until about five and twenty minutes past one. At this time they were getting out the starboard collapsible boats. Chief Officer Wilde wanted a sailor. Captain Smith told him to get into the boat “C” which was then partly filled. He found three women and children in there with no more about. Two gentlemen got in, Mr. Ismay and Mr. Carter. Nobody told them to get in. No one else was there. In the boat there were thirty-nine altogether. These two gentlemen, five of the crew (including himself), three firemen, a steward, and near daybreak they found four Chinamen or Filipinos who had come up between the seats. All the rest were women and children. Before leaving the ship he saw a bright light about five miles away about two points on the port bow. He noticed it after he got into the boat. When he left the ship there was a list to port of six degrees. The order was given to lower the boat, with witness in charge. The rub strake kept on catching on the rivets down the ship’s side, and it was as much as we could do to keep off. It took a good five minutes, on account of this rubbing, to get down. When they reached the water they steered for a light in sight, roughly five miles. They seemed to get no nearer to it and altered their course to a boat that was carrying a green light. When day broke, the _Carpathia_ was in sight. In regard to Mr. Ismay’s getting into the boat, the witness’s testimony before the American Court of Inquiry is cited in full: Senator Burton: Now, tell us the circumstances under which Mr. Ismay and that other gentleman got into the boat. Mr. Rowe: When Chief Officer Wilde asked if there were any more women and children, there was no reply, so Mr. Ismay came into the boat. Senator Burton: Mr. Wilde asked if there were any more women and children? Can you say that there were none? Mr. Rowe: I could not see, but there were none forthcoming. Senator Burton: You could see around there on the deck, could you not? Mr. Rowe: I could see the fireman and steward that completed the boat’s crew, but as regards any families I could not see any. Senator Burton: Were there any men passengers besides Mr. Ismay and the other man? Mr. Rowe: I did not see any, sir. Senator Burton: Was it light enough so that you could see anyone near by? Mr. Rowe: Yes, sir. Senator Burton: Did you hear anyone ask Mr. Ismay and Mr. Carter to get in the boat? Mr. Rowe: No, sir. Senator Burton: If Chief Officer Wilde had spoken to them would you have known it? Mr. Rowe: I think so, because they got in the after part of the boat where I was. * * * * * Alfred Pearce, pantryman, third-class (Br. Inq.):