11. Kumbha answered:--The total extirpation of the mind, consists in the entire extinction of the world from it; the learned and the men of long foresight, call this to be the abandonment of the mind (_i.e._ when it is cast out with all its thoughts and cares). 12. Sikhidhwaja rejoined:--I think the extinction of the mind, is better than our abandonment of it, on account of securing the success of our purposes; but how can we know the gradual expurgation of the mind, from the hundreds of diseases to which it is subject. 13. Kumbha replied:--Egoism is the root (seed) of the arbour of the mind, with all its branches and leaves and fruits and flowers; therefore root out the mind with its very root of egoism, and have thy breast as clear as the empty and lurid sky. 14. Sikhidhwaja rejoined:--Tell me, O sage, what is the root of the mind, what are its sprouts and fruits; tell me also how many stems and branches it has, and how is it possible to root it out at once. 15. Kumbha replied:--Know prince that egoism and all the words expressive of the self as meity &c., and indicative of the mind, are the seeds of the tree of the mind. 16. The field of its growth is the supreme soul, which is the common source of all entities; but that field being filled with illusion, the mind is deluded to believe itself as the first born sprout springing out of this field. (The first born germ of the Divine spirit being the living soul, which originates in the mind). 17. The certain knowledge of the mind in its discrete state, is called its understanding (which in its concrete state is known as sensation); the _buddhi_ or understanding is the state of maturity of the germ or sprout of the mind. (The infant mind is ripens into the understanding). 18. The understanding or _buddhi_, being subject to various desires, takes the name of chitta or wasteful mind; and this mind makes the living being, which is as hollow within it, as a carved image of stone (or moulded metal), and a mere false conception. 19. The body is the stem of this tree of the mind, and is composed of the skin and bones and juicy matters. 20. The branches of the tree of the mind, extend to a great distance all about it; and so the sensible organs of the body, protruding wide about it, perish at last in seeking for its enjoyment. 21. Now try to lop off the branches of the tree of thy mind, and try also to root out the noxious tree at once. 22. Sikhidhwaja said:--I can some how or other lop off the branches of the tree of mind, but tell me, O my sagely monitor, how I may be able to pull it out by its very root at once. 23. Kumbha replied:--All our desires are the several branches of this tree, which are hanging with loads of fruits; and are lopped off by the axe of our reason.