And I will state now emphatically that I have never been questioned by the FBI or the Secret Service--never, gentlemen. If they can produce my voice or anything, they can produce it. So then I was escorted into the office where Marina and Mrs. Paine was. And, of course, I started crying right away, and hugged Marina. And Marina gave me Rachel, whom I had never seen. I did not know I had a second grandchild, until this very moment. So I started to cry. Marina started to cry. And Mrs. Paine said, "Oh, Mrs. Oswald, I am so glad to meet you. Marina has often expressed the desire to contact you, especially when the baby was being born. But Lee didn't want her to." And I said, "Mrs. Paine, you spoke English. Why didn't you contact me?" She said Marina didn't know how to get in touch with me. She said, "Well, because of the way they lived, he lived in Dallas, and came home to my home on weekends. I didn't feel like I wanted to interfere." And she acted as--excuse me, gentlemen, but this is very, very emotional. The CHAIRMAN. That is all right. Mrs. OSWALD. She acted as interpreter for Marina. We are in the courthouse now, in the jailhouse. So her testimony, gentlemen, the testimony that the Dallas police have, is the testimony of Mrs. Paine, that Marina assumed Lee had given her. Could we state now maybe it is not the correct testimony that Marina gave--just one interpreter, and Marina's friend, is the testimony that the Dallas police has. I have no way of knowing, and you have no way of knowing, gentlemen, whether it is the correct testimony. So Mrs. Paine told me that she acted as interpreter. And I said, "I don't know what I am going to do. I want to stay in Dallas and be near Lee, so that I can help with this situation as much as possible." She said, "Mrs. Oswald, you are welcome in my home--if you care to sleep on the sofa." I said, "Thank you very much, Mrs. Paine, I will accept your offer. I will sleep on the floor in order to be near Dallas." So we left. We went to Mrs. Paine's home. I am going to say again I did not see my son. So--I had my nurse's uniform on for 3 days. Mr. RANKIN. What day was this at Mrs. Paine's? Mrs. OSWALD. This was the night of Friday, November 22d. We arrived there approximately 6 o'clock. Upon entering the home, about 5 minutes after I was in the home, there was a knock on the door. Now, this is a little vague. On the way leaving the courthouse we may have been in the company of the two Life representatives. They may have taken us to Mrs. Paine's home. I did not ask who was taking us to Mrs. Paine's home, because I was holding my grandbaby and talking to Marina, and sitting in the back of the car. And it didn't interest me at the time how I was getting to Mrs. Paine's home. Why I am bringing this up was because after I was in her home, about 5 minutes, there was a knock on the door, and these two Life representatives entered the home.