Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. They are his relatives. I think that Lee engaged in this activity primarily for purposes of self-advertising. He wanted to be arrested. I think he wanted to get into the newspapers, so that he would be known. Mr. RANKIN. Do you think he wanted to be advertised and known as being in support of Cuba before he went to Cuba? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. Do you think he thought that would help him when he got to Cuba? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. Did he tell you anything about that, or is that just what you guess? Mrs. OSWALD. He would collect the newspaper clippings about his--when the newspapers wrote about him, and he took these clippings with him when he went to Mexico. Mr. RANKIN. Did the Murrets come to visit you from time to time in New Orleans? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes--sometimes they came to us, and sometimes we went to them. Mr. RANKIN. Was that a friendly relationship? Mrs. OSWALD. I would say that they were more of a family relationship type. They were very good to us. His uncle, that is the husband of his aunt, was a very good man. He tried to reason with Lee after that incident. Lee liked them very much as relatives but he didn't like the fact that they were all very religious. When his uncle, or, again, the husband of his aunt would tell him that he must approach things with a more serious attitude, and to worry about himself and his family, Lee would say, "Well, these are just bourgeois, who are only concerned with their own individual welfare." Mr. KRIMER. The word Mrs. Oswald used is not quite bourgeois, but it is a person of a very narrow viewpoint who is only concerned with his own personal interests, inclined to be an egotist. Mr. RANKIN. Did you hear the discussion when the uncle talked about this Fair Play for Cuba and his activities? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. What did the uncle say to your husband about that? Mrs. OSWALD. At that time. I did not know English too well, and Lee would not interpret for me. He only nodded his head. But I knew that he did not agree with his uncle. His uncle said that he condemned that kind of activity. Mr. RANKIN. What was your husband's attitude about your learning English? Mrs. OSWALD. He never talked English to me at home, and did not give me any instruction. This was strictly my own business. But he did want me to learn English. But that was my own concern. I had to do that myself somehow. That is the truth. Mr. RANKIN. Did any of your Russian friends visit you at New Orleans? Mrs. OSWALD. No. Mr. RANKIN. Outside of the Murrets, were there some people from New Orleans that visited you at your home in New Orleans? Mrs. OSWALD. Once or twice a woman visited who was a friend of Ruth Paine's. Ruth Paine has written her. She had written to Ruth Paine to find out whether she knew any Russians there. And once or twice this woman visited us. But other than that, no one. Mr. RANKIN. What was the name of this woman?