Mrs. OSWALD. When he was interviewed by some anti-Cubans, he used this name and spoke of an organization. I knew there was no such organization. And I know that Hidell is merely an altered Fidel, and I laughed at such foolishness. My imagination didn't work that way. Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to him about it at that time? Mrs. OSWALD. I said that it wasn't a nice thing to do and some day it would be discovered anyhow. Mr. RANKIN. Now, the weekend of November 15th to 17th, which was the weekend before the assassination, do you know what your husband did or how he spent that weekend while he was in Dallas? Mrs. OSWALD. No, I don't. Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether he took the rifle before he went into Dallas, that trip, for that weekend? Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know. I think that he took the rifle on Thursday when he came the next time, but I didn't see him take it. I assume that. I cannot know it. Mr. RANKIN. Except for the time in New Orleans that you described, and the time you called to Dallas to ask for your husband, do you know of any other time your husband was using an assumed name? Mrs. OSWALD. No, no more. Mr. RANKIN. Did you think he was using that assumed name in connection with this Fair Play for Cuba activity or something else? Mrs. OSWALD. The name Hidell, which you pronounced Hidell, was in connection with his activity with the non-existing organization. Mr. RANKIN. Did you and your husband live under the name Hidell in New Orleans? Mrs. OSWALD. No. Mr. RANKIN. You were never identified as the Hidells, as far as you knew, while you were there? Mrs. OSWALD. No. No one knew that Lee was Hidell. Mr. RANKIN. How did you discover it, then? Mrs. OSWALD. I already said that when I listened to the radio, they spoke of that name, and I asked him who, and he said that it was he. Mr. RANKIN. Was that after the arrest? Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember when the interview took place, before the arrest or after. Mr. RANKIN. But it was in regard to some interview for radio transmission, and he had identified himself as Hidell, rather than Oswald, is that right? Mrs. OSWALD. No--he represented himself as Oswald, but he said that the organization which he supposedly represents is headed by Hidell. Mr. RANKIN. He was using the name Hidell, then, to have a fictitious president or head of the organization which really was he himself, is that right? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. You have told us about his practicing with the rifle, the telescopic lens, on the back porch at New Orleans, and also his using the bolt action that you heard from time to time. Will you describe that a little more fully to us, as best you remember? Mrs. OSWALD. I cannot describe that in greater detail. I can only say that Lee would sit there with the rifle and open and close the bolt and clean it. No, he didn't clean it at that time. Yes--twice he did clean it.