Representative FORD. So there was no other sound that would have disturbed your hearing capability from the first through the third shot? Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right; no other shot. Representative FORD. Your only problem would be your personal activity after the first shot. Mr. KELLERMAN. Correct. Representative FORD. Your activity of speaking to Greer and talking to Lawson? Mr. KELLERMAN. That is correct, sir; yes, sir. Representative FORD. Was there any crowd reaction? Mr. KELLERMAN. There was no crowd. Representative FORD. There were a few stragglers? Mr. KELLERMAN. A handful, and I didn't view any reaction, sir. Representative FORD. All right. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able to say with any certainty? Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen. Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say? Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman? Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots. Representative FORD. Is that why you have described---- Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry. Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry? Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Excuse me, do you have any independent recollection, Mr. Kellerman, of the number of shots, aside from the inference that you make as to how many points of wounds there were? Mr. KELLERMAN. Could you rephrase that, please? Mr. SPECTER. Yes. You have drawn a conclusion, in effect, by saying that there were four wounds for the President and three wounds for the Governor; and from that, you say there must have been more than three shots in your opinion or your view. But my question is: Do you have any current recollection of having heard more than three shots? Mr. KELLERMAN. No. I don't. I will have to say "No." Senator COOPER. Has that been your recollection from the very time of the shooting? Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir; it has been my opinion. Senator COOPER. Not your opinion, but from the time of the shooting you think then that you heard only three shots, or did you---- Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Senator COOPER. Or did you ever think that you heard more than three? Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir; I can't say that, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Now, you referred to four wounds, Mr. Kellerman, realizing, of course, your characterization is only lay opinion. Mr. KELLERMAN. Very true. Mr. SPECTER. Would you tell us which wounds you made reference to by that statement, please?