Senator COOPER. A few minutes ago you said in response to a question that when you spoke to the driver the car leaped forward from an acceleration immediately. Did that acceleration occur before the second shot was fired? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Just about the time that it came in. Senator COOPER. About the time it came in? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Senator COOPER. Not before? Mr. KELLERMAN. No. Senator COOPER. One other question: You said the flurry of shots came in the car. You were leaning forward talking to the driver after the first shot. What made you aware of a flurry of shots? Mr. KELLERMAN. Senator, between all the matter that was--between all the matter that was blown off from an injured person, this stuff all came over. Senator COOPER. What was that? Mr. KELLERMAN. Body matter; flesh. Senator COOPER. When you were speaking of a flurry of shots, was there a longer interval between the first shot and the second shot as compared to the interval between the second shot and the third shot? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. When did you first notice the substance which you have described as body matter? Mr. KELLERMAN. When I got to the hospital, sir, it was all over my coat. Mr. SPECTER. Did you notice it flying past you at any time prior to your arrival at the hospital? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; I know there was something in the air. Mr. SPECTER. When, in relation to the shots, Mr. Kellerman, did you notice the substance in the air? Mr. KELLERMAN. Fine. When I have given the orders to Mr. Lawson, this is when it all came between the driver and myself. Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe what it was in a little more detail as it appeared to you at that time? Mr. KELLERMAN. This is a rather poor comparison, but let's say you take a little handful of matter--I am going to use sawdust for want of a better item--and just throw it. Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the sound of the flurry of shots by way of distinction with the way you have described the sound of the first shot? Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, having heard all types of guns fired, most of them, rather, if I recall correctly these were two sharp reports, sir. Again, I am going to refer to it as like a plane going through a sound barrier; bang, bang. Mr. SPECTER. Now, you are referring to the flurry? Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right. Mr. SPECTER. Did it sound differently from the first noise you have described as being a firecracker? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; definitely; very much so. Representative FORD. Was there any other noise going on at the time of the second and third shots different from the noise of the crowd or otherwise at the time of the first shot? Mr. KELLERMAN. We had no crowd, sir. There was nothing there. Representative FORD. So the external noise was identical as far as the---- Mr. KELLERMAN. Very much. Representative FORD. First or second or the third shot? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. We are in an open-field area, so to speak, and everything was just clear.