Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir. Representative FORD. At that time? Mr. KELLERMAN. At that time, I did not observe him. Representative FORD. The only time you saw him was later at the morgue? Mr. KELLERMAN. Very much, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any blood on the portion of his body in the neck area or anyplace in the front of his body? Mr. KELLERMAN. I don't recall any. Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any hole in the clothing of the President on the front part, in the shirt or tie area? Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. From your observation of the wound which you observed in the morgue which you have described as a tracheotomy, would that have been above or below the shirtline when the President was clothed? Mr. KELLERMAN. It would have been below the shirtline, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Now, have you described all of the wounds of the President to which you have referred? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe the three wounds which I believe you said Governor Connally sustained? Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to refer to the medical report on Governor Connally, wherein they said one wound was in his right back---- Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the upper shoulder area? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. One went through his wrist. Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the right wrist. Mr. KELLERMAN. I am using the numbers, and he was--a missile went into his thigh somewhere. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know anything about Governor Connally's wounds aside from what you read in the medical report? Mr. KELLERMAN. No; not personally. Mr. SPECTER. Do you have any independent knowledge of which wrist and which thigh, aside from what you read in the medical reports themselves? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; I do, I talked to the Governor several times later, and it is the right wrist, sir. Mr. SPECTER. It is the right wrist? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. And which thigh? Mr. KELLERMAN. It would be the left one. Representative FORD. Is this a good point for a recess? Mr. SPECTER. This is fine. Representative FORD. We will take a 5-minute break. (Short recess.) Representative FORD. The Commission will resume, and will you proceed, Mr. Specter, please? Mr. SPECTER. Yes sir. One of your last answers was that the position of the wounds on Governor Connally was ascertained from a conversation between you and Governor Connally, as well as from the medical reports themselves. Is that correct? Mr. KELLERMAN. No; it is really not. Mr. SPECTER. Then tell us what your basis is for your testimony on Governor Connally's wounds. Mr. KELLERMAN. I have never conversed with the Governor as to his other wounds outside of his wrist. Your medical report on Governor Connally which indicate the shoulder wound, wrist, and in the thigh. Mr. SPECTER. When did you have occasion to talk to him about his wrist wound? Mr. KELLERMAN. Over the holidays in Texas, sir. Mr. SPECTER. The Christmas holidays? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.