Mr. SPECTER. To be absolutely certain our record is straight on this point, when you observed this windshield on or about November 27, 1963, was the windshield in or out of the car? Mr. KELLERMAN. It was in the car. This was the same day they were going to remove it. Mr. SPECTER. Did they remove it later that day, to your knowledge? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; they did, and the mechanics were there. Mr. SPECTER. Were you there at the time this was removed? Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. But the mechanics had arrived preparatory to removing it? Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, we intended to describe the windshield in detail prior to your mentioning it, but to go back to your train of thought, you had brought up the windshield in response to my question about whether you had told us everything that you had in mind when you expressed the view that there were more than three shots. Now, remaining on the subject of the windshield, what fact about the windshield was important in your mind when you expressed the view that there must have been more than three shots? Mr. KELLERMAN. I may be a little--I am not ahead of myself in your investigation of this case, but I think with the evidence that you all have on the numbers, on the pieces of evidence that were found in the car, plus the fact that you have a missile that was received from Dallas, from one of the stretchers, plus the fact of the missile that, to my knowledge, hasn't been removed from Governor Connally--it may have, I don't know--count up to more than three to me, gentlemen. Mr. SPECTER. All right; fine. But focusing just a moment on the windshield in and of itself, is there any physical factor or characteristic of the windshield other than those already described for the record which has any bearing on your conclusion about the number of shots? Mr. KELLERMAN. No; it does not. Mr. SPECTER. Now, moving on to the other pieces of evidence which you have just described, you referred to pieces of evidence in the car. What did you mean when you made that reference, sir? Mr. KELLERMAN. I have--I was told, although this is a hearsay thing---- Mr. SPECTER. For these purposes, please tell us whatever you are referring to, whatever its source, hearsay or not. Mr. KELLERMAN. Okay; fine. That when they examined that vehicle that night, when it was brought back to Washington, D.C., two pieces of a bullet or bullets were found on the passenger side on the floor of the front seat. Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe those? Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Who told you that, or what report? Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Boring--Floyd Boring. Mr. SPECTER. Who is Mr. Boring? Mr. KELLERMAN. He is also an assistant special agent in charge. Mr. SPECTER. Is he currently with the Secret Service? Mr. KELLERMAN. He is currently with the Secret Service at the White House; yes. Mr. SPECTER. Were those two pieces of bullet described with more particularity than you have mentioned?