It was raining outside, I recall. About 9:25 I received word from Special Agent Duncan that the President requested Mrs. Kennedy to come to the mezzanine, where a breakfast was being held in his honor, and where he was about to speak. I went in and advised Mrs. Kennedy of this, and took her down to where the President was speaking; remained with her adjacent to the head table in this particular area during the speech; and accompanied she and the President back up to the, I believe it was, the fifth floor of the hotel, their residential area; remained on that floor until we left, went downstairs, got into the motorcade, and departed the hotel for the airport to leave Fort Worth for Dallas. We were airborne approximately 11:20, I believe, in Air Force 1. I was in the aft compartment, which is part of the residential compartment, and we arrived in Dallas at 11:40. Mr. SPECTER. Would you describe, in a general way, what the President and Mrs. Kennedy did upon arrival in Dallas? Mr. HILL. They debarked the rear ramp of the aircraft first, followed by Governor and Mrs. Connally, various Congressmen and Senators. And Special Agent in Charge Kellerman and myself went down the ramp. There was a small reception committee at the foot of the ramp, and somebody gave Mrs. Kennedy some red roses, I recall. I walked immediately to the followup car and placed my topcoat, which is a raincoat, and small envelope containing some information concerning the Dallas stop in the followup car, returning to where the President and Mrs. Kennedy were at that time greeting a crippled lady in a wheelchair. Mr. SPECTER. What do you estimate the size of the crowd to have been at Dallas that morning? Mr. HILL. At the airport? Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir. Mr. HILL. It is rather difficult to say. They were behind a chain-link fence, not on the airport ramp itself, and they were jammed up against the fence holding placards, and many young people in the crowd. I would say there were probably 2,000 people there. Mr. SPECTER. At approximately what time did the motorcade depart from Love Field to Dallas? Mr. HILL. Approximately 11:55. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know approximately how many automobiles there were in the motorcade? Mr. HILL. No, sir; I do not. Mr. SPECTER. In which car in the motorcade were you positioned? Mr. HILL. I was working the followup car, which is the car immediately behind the Presidential car. Mr. SPECTER. And how many cars are there ahead of the followup car, then, in the entire motorcade? Mr. HILL. There was a lead car ahead of the President's car, the President's car, then this particular followup car. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know whether there was any car in advance of the car termed the lead car? Mr. HILL. There could have been a pilot car, but I am not sure. Mr. SPECTER. Now, approximately how far in front of the President's car did the lead car stay during the course of the motorcade? Mr. HILL. I would say a half block, maybe.