Mr. SPECTER. And how far was the President's car in front of the President's followup car during the course of the motorcade? Mr. HILL. Approximately 5 feet. Mr. SPECTER. Is there some well-established practice as to the spacing between the President's car and the President's followup car? Mr. HILL. It would depend upon speed. We attempt to stay as close to the President's car as practical. At high rates of speed it is rather difficult to stay close because of the danger involved. Slow speeds, the followup car stays as close as possible so that the agents on the followup car can get to the Presidential car as quickly as possible. Mr. SPECTER. What was the first car to the rear of the President's followup car? Mr. HILL. The Vice-Presidential automobile. Mr. SPECTER. What car was immediately behind the Vice President's automobile? Mr. HILL. The Vice-Presidential followup car. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know what cars in the Dallas motorcade followed the Vice President's followup car? Mr. HILL. Well, I couldn't say which car any individual rode in after that particular automobile, but I could say they were occupied by members of the staff, both President Kennedy's and Vice President Johnson's; Congressmen and Senators who were on this particular trip; newspaper personnel who were on this trip. Mr. SPECTER. Would you identify the occupants of the President's followup car and indicate where each was in the automobile. Mr. HILL. The car itself was driven by Special Agent Sam Kinney, and Assistant to the Special Agent in Charge Emory Roberts was riding in the right front seat. I was assigned to work the left running board of the automobile, the forward portion of that running board. McIntyre was assigned to work the rear portion of the left running board. Special Agent John Ready was assigned the forward portion of the right running board; Special Agent Paul Landis was assigned the rear portion of the right running board. There were two jump seats, and they were occupied by two Presidential aides, Mr. O'Donnell and Mr. Powers. Mr. Powers was sitting on the right-hand side; Mr. O'Donnell on the left. The rear seat was occupied, left rear by Special Agent Hickey, right rear, Special Agent Bennett. Mr. SPECTER. How were the agents armed at that time? Mr. HILL. All the agents were armed with their hand weapons. Mr. SPECTER. And is there any weapon in the automobile in addition to the hand weapons? Mr. HILL. Yes. There is an AR-15, which is an automatic rifle, and a shotgun. Mr. SPECTER. And where is the AR-15 kept? Mr. HILL. Between the two agents in the rear seat. Mr. SPECTER. How about the shotgun; where is that kept? Mr. HILL. In a compartment immediately in front of the jump seats. Mr. SPECTER. Is the President's followup car a specially constructed automobile? Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; it is. Mr. SPECTER. And what is the make and model and general description of that vehicle?