Mr. JACKSON. No, sir; because as, I guess after the third shot, I do recall the driver speeding up, and we hesitated at the corner before turning left, and three of the occupants of the car got out, jumped out. Mr. SPECTER. Who were those three? Mr. JACKSON. That was Underwood, Jim Underwood, Tom Dillard and one of the TV cameramen. The WHAA channel 8 cameraman and I were left in the back seat. We couldn't make up our minds. Mr. SPECTER. Was there an individual in the car by the name of Mr. Couch, to your knowledge? Mr. JACKSON. Couch? Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir. Mr. JACKSON. I don't know him. Mr. SPECTER. Malcolm Couch? Mr. JACKSON. The name is familiar. I might state what I did see as we did hesitate there, at the corner, I don't recall whether this was before the other three fellows got out of the car or not, I believe we were still all in the car, as we observed these other things, but in a fleeting glance as I saw the cars go under the underpass, I did see people running. I saw a motorcycle policeman jump off his motorcycle, in fact, he just hit the curb and just let it fall, and he went down on his knees on the grass, on the lawn of that parkway. I did see a family covering up their child, and I just saw a state of confusion, people running, and that is about all I saw at that point of the scene. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Jackson, at the time you heard the first shot, did you have any reaction or impression from the sound itself as to the source of the shot, point of origin? Mr. JACKSON. No, sir; I didn't. It did sound like it came from ahead of us or from that general vicinity but I could not tell whether it was high up or on the ground. Mr. SPECTER. When you say that general vicinity, what vicinity did you mean? Mr. JACKSON. We were sure it came from ahead of us which would be in a northerly direction, northwesterly direction. It did sound as though it came from somewhere around the head of the motorcade. Mr. SPECTER. From the second shot, did you have any reaction or impression as to the source of this shot? Mr. JACKSON. No, sir. Through all three shots, I could just tell that it was ahead of me and not behind me, that is it. Mr. SPECTER. And the same impression then prevailed through the third shot as well. Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir. To me it never sounded like it was high or low. Mr. SPECTER. Have you had occasion since this incident to relate the factual sequences, your observations and what you heard? Have you had occasion to tell anybody about what you saw and heard as you have described it to us? Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Has there been any variation in your recollection or impressions about your observations on these occasions? Mr. JACKSON. Not to my knowledge. The other times were not as thorough as this. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Chief Justice, those are all of the questions which I have, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Congressman Ford, any questions you would like to ask Mr. Jackson?