Mr. ROWLAND. I went to my classes. My wife got out of school early. We went to town. I had to go to work at 4, so we were going downtown to do some shopping. We went early so we could see the President's motorcade. Mr. SPECTER. What time did you arrive in town? Mr. ROWLAND. We rode a bus from the school. We got to town approximately a quarter to 12. Mr. SPECTER. What school was your wife attending at that time? Mr. ROWLAND. The same: Adamson. Mr. SPECTER. What time did her classes end? Mr. ROWLAND. She got out at 11 also. Mr. SPECTER. And what did you do from the time you arrived in town at approximately a quarter of 12 for the next 15 minutes? Mr. ROWLAND. Trying to find a good vantage point. We walked about five or six blocks. Mr. SPECTER. From where did you walk? Mr. ROWLAND. We got off at the junction, at the intersection of Main and Houston, walked up toward Ervay, about four blocks, I would say up to Akard. We walked from Houston to Akard on Main, and then we walked back down Commerce and then over to the sheriffs or the county courthouse, there was a lesser crowd there. Mr. SPECTER. Is that the reason you selected the spot you ultimately picked to watch the parade? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes, there was no one in front of us, no one around that area. Mr. SPECTER. I am going to show you a photograph, Mr. Rowland, which has already been identified as Commission Exhibit No. 347 and first ask you if you can identify what scene this represents. Mr. ROWLAND. Yes; I can. Mr. SPECTER. What scene is that? Mr. ROWLAND. This is the triple underpass, this is the scene where the President was assassinated. Mr. SPECTER. What is this plaza called in Dallas? Mr. ROWLAND. I don't know exactly. It is just known as the triple underpass. Mr. SPECTER. Is it known as Dealey Plaza to your knowledge? Mr. ROWLAND. I have never heard it called that. Mr. SPECTER. Can you point with your finger for me at the spot where you were standing as best you can recollect it? Mr. ROWLAND. We were about in this area on this sidewalk of this building. I say approximately two-thirds of the distance between here and here in this direction. Mr. SPECTER. All right. I have a substitute photograph for you to mark. I am now showing you an identical scene on a photograph which has been heretofore marked as Commission Exhibit No. 354. Will you mark with an arrow as closely as possible to the point where you were standing? Mr. ROWLAND. There is an elevator shaft below this second window on that building that comes through a sidewalk. I was about 5 feet to the left of it, about the third window or right here in this area. Mr. SPECTER. Will you mark that a little more heavily, please? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER. What time were you so positioned? Mr. ROWLAND. We got there about 5 after 12. Mr. SPECTER. Did your position move at any time during the course of the next half hour?