Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. We did move to this corner, there were too many people on this corner. Mr. SPECTER. You are indicating back to the corner of Houston and Main? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Houston and Main there were too many crowds so we came back to this street here, Commerce is that right; no, Elm and Main. We came back to Elm and Main and figured it wouldn't be a very good vantage point because of the crowd there so we went back to where we were. Mr. SPECTER. Where were you standing at the time the President's motorcade passed by you? Mr. ROWLAND. At that position. (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER. The position you have marked with a "V," inverted "V." Will you mark with the letter "A" the point to which you had moved when you described it as being at Commerce which you corrected to Elm and Houston. Mr. ROWLAND. It was this corner. (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER. Approximately what time did you move to the position you have marked "A"? Mr. ROWLAND. About 10 after 12. Mr. SPECTER. How long did you stay at position "A"? Mr. ROWLAND. Momentarily, just long enough to look, maybe a minute. Mr. SPECTER. To look at what? Mr. ROWLAND. To look at the position itself. There was too much of a crowd in that area. When the President would come by they would be pushing or rushing in that area and it would be too crowded for us. Mr. SPECTER. At that point you did what? Mr. ROWLAND. Then we went back to where we were. Mr. SPECTER. To position "V"? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes, and we stayed there for a minute or so, walked to the corner of Main and Houston. Mr. SPECTER. Mark Main and Houston with the letter "B," if you would, where you moved next. (Witness marking.) Mr. ROWLAND. Stayed there momentarily, less than a minute. There was quite a crowd there and we went back to where we were, our original position. Mr. SPECTER. To position "V"? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. What time would you say you got back to your position "V"? Mr. ROWLAND. We got back there 14 after, I noticed the time on my watch, and the Hertz time clock I noticed was about a minute later. Mr. SPECTER. Where was the Hertz time clock located? Mr. ROWLAND. That was on top of the school depository building. Mr. SPECTER. Was your watch synchronized with the Hertz up on top. Mr. ROWLAND. Yes; I always set it by the same clock whenever I pass it. I pass it coming into town and I set my watch at that time. Mr. SPECTER. Now, did you observe at any time the building which is depicted in Commission Exhibit No. 348? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. We were looking around it, my wife and I, amongst the crowd, the different areas, making note of the policemen on top of the underpass itself, in that area, and the security precautions that were being taken. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Chairman, I would like to show the witness the same photograph, but a different picture on an exhibit marked Commission Exhibit No. 356.