Mr. ROWLAND. Right afterwards. There was--just before I observed him there was a police motorcycle parked just on the street, not in front of us, just a little past us, and the radio was on it giving the details of the motorcade, where it was positioned, and right after the time I noticed him and when my wife was pointing this other thing to me, I don't remember what that was, the dispatcher came on and gave the position of the motorcade as being on Cedar Springs. This would be in the area of Turtle Creek, down in that area. I can't remember the street's name but I know where it is at. And this was the position of the motorcade and it was about 15 or 16 after 12. Mr. SPECTER. Well, did you tell your wife about the presence of this man immediately after you saw him? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. And what was the quality or condition of her eyes? Mr. ROWLAND. She has nearsightedness and has to wear glasses. Mr. SPECTER. Was she wearing glasses at the time? Mr. ROWLAND. No, she wasn't. Mr. SPECTER. Based on your knowledge of her eyesight, would it have been possible for her to have seen him considering your relative positions? Mr. ROWLAND. Had he still been there she would have been able to acknowledge the figure with no description. Mr. SPECTER. How long did you see him there in total point of time? Mr. ROWLAND. It was all relatively brief, short time, 15 seconds, maybe 20. I was looking at the building, looking at the people hanging out of the building, I noticed him, my eye contact was at that position for 15 to 20 seconds. This is all relatively very short length of time. Mr. SPECTER. Now---- Mr. ROWLAND. But a lot can happen in that much time. Mr. SPECTER. When you saw him, you told her about him, and then did she look in the direction of the man? Mr. ROWLAND. After she pointed something else out to me she looked in that direction. Mr. SPECTER. Did you then look back toward the direction of, to the window where you had seen him? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes; I even pointed to it with my wife. Mr. SPECTER. Did you look back at the same time she looked back? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. And when you looked back what, if anything, did you observe in the window? Mr. ROWLAND. There was nothing there then. Mr. SPECTER. Following that did you and she have any additional conversation about this man in the window? Mr. ROWLAND. We talked about it momentarily, just for a few seconds that it was of most likelihood a security man, had a very good vantage point where he could watch the crowds, talked about the rifle, it looked like a very high-powered rifle. Mr. SPECTER. Did you mention that to your wife? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes; I did. Mr. SPECTER. Have you described as fully as you can everything you discussed with your wife at that juncture? Mr. ROWLAND. I think so. Representative FORD. Was there anybody else standing close to you as you had this conversation with your wife?