Mr. ROWLAND. There was a policeman about as far as me to the flag. Representative FORD. That is about how many feet, would you say? Mr. ROWLAND. Twelve, thirteen feet. Representative FORD. There was no one between you and the policeman in that line of vision? Mr. ROWLAND. No. Then there were three or four colored men just behind the elevator, and a couple on the elevator that had come up through the sidewalk. This was a distance of--this was on the opposite side of us about 15 feet, just a little further than the officer. Representative FORD. There was no one closer to you and your wife than 10 to 15 feet? Mr. ROWLAND. That is correct. That is one of the main reasons we selected that spot. Representative FORD. Did it ever enter your mind that you should go and tell the policeman of this sight or this vision that you had seen? Mr. ROWLAND. Really it didn't. Representative FORD. It never entered your mind? Mr. ROWLAND. I never dreamed of anything such as that. I mean, I must honestly say my opinion was based on movies I have seen, on the attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt where they had Secret Service men up in the building such as that with rifles watching the crowds, and another one concerned with attempted assassination of the other one, Franklin Roosevelt, and both of these had Secret Service men up in windows or on top of buildings with rifles, and this is how my opinion was based and why it didn't alarm me. Perhaps if I had been older and had more experience in life it might have made a difference. It very well could have. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Rowland, did the man with the rifle have any distinctive facial appearance such as a mustache or a prominent scar, anything of that sort which you could observe? Mr. ROWLAND. There was nothing dark on his face, no mustache. There could have been a scar if it hadn't been a dark scar. If it was, you know, a blotch or such as this, there was nothing very dark about the color of his face. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Rowland, will you recount as precisely and as specifically as you can, the exact conversation between you and your wife from the time you first noticed this man until your conversation about the man concluded, indicating what you said and what she said in language as closely as you can recollect it? Mr. ROWLAND. That is a whopper.