Mr. FRAZIER. Right. Mr. BALL. Where you park is in the parking lot? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. I park inside the fence but what I am talking about--I park on the different side of the lot. Mr. BALL. Different side of the same lot? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; we just have one lot there. Mr. BALL. Do you see the Texas School Book Depository Building? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; right there. Mr. BALL. And you walked from about the place where your car is parked? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Usually up to the Depository Building? Mr. FRAZIER. Right, correct. Mr. BALL. Now, the map to the left, upper left-hand corner of the map, there is a picture. Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Do you see this area where I point my finger which is marked "parking lot No. 1." Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What is that? Mr. FRAZIER. That is the same parking lot we were looking at right here. Mr. BALL. What route do you walk, which way do you walk when you park in this parking lot No. 1, to the Texas School Book Depository Building? Mr. FRAZIER. Do you want me to get up to where I can show it to you? Mr. BALL. Yes; show it to us. Mr. FRAZIER. I usually always come up, you know, you can come right, you see the building right down here, and you notice a series of railroad tracks, so usually early in the morning, now about 8 o'clock there is usually not any cars right here, but I say they are switching back and forth. Mr. BALL. By "cars" you mean railroad cars? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; they usually start switching around 8 o'clock. Usually, there are not any cars, it is usually a long train that moves up pretty soon but I usually move up in this direction here, especially when it is dry. When it is wet I walk on this because it is harder. But when it is raining, I usually walk around here, because in this area right here, when you get up closer to the railroad tracks it has more trenches, and it gets muddy and slimy and you can get bogged down. So, when it is bad weather, I usually walk on this side. But I say nine times out of ten I come up right down here. Mr. BALL. Let's look at the map. Here is the parking lot here, is that the parking lot where you usually park? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; it is. Mr. BALL. This is parking lot No. 1. Mr. FRAZIER. That is parking lot No. 1, isn't it? Mr. BALL. Right. Mr. FRAZIER. Right. Mr. BALL. We will show you this map later, but just to illustrate, how do you usually, what is the route you usually take, just show us on the board here, the route you usually take to the Texas School Book Depository Building in the morning? Mr. FRAZIER. You mean when I am coming off of the freeway? Mr. BALL. After you park here.