Mr. MARTIN. By telephone. And he stated that the photograph was public property, and not covered under common law copyright. I asked him where he got the photo, and he said he got it at the same place as Life did, through a leak in the Commission. I talked to Life magazine attorney--I can't remember his name. It is a very odd name. It begins with an "S". Now, Murray said that Life had informed him that they had gotten it from a leak through the Commission, and I contacted Life and he denied saying anything of the sort to Murray. However, Murray insisted that that is where he got that and he figured it was public domain. Mr. REDLICH. At the start of today's testimony when you mentioned the possibility of a leak with regard to this photograph, something that you said prior to the actual start of hearings, Mr. Rankin and I commented on that assertion. Would you tell the Commission what we said? Mr. MARTIN. That there was definitely not a leak in the Commission, and that you would certainly find out what Murray was talking about. Mr. REDLICH. Did you talk to an editor of the Detroit Free Press with regard to this photograph? Mr. MARTIN. I called at night. It was at night, and I asked for the news editor. He was not in, so I talked to a reporter, and he couldn't say anything about it. He referred me to Ken Murray and gave me his home telephone number. Mr. REDLICH. The next item on Commission Exhibit No. 325 has reference to Stern Magazine. Would you tell the Commission about that, please? Mr. MARTIN. Stern Magazine we have been working with since the middle of December. They have been quite patient actually. For $12,500 they wanted Marina's memoirs and photographs, available photographs for use in Germany and Italy only. They wanted exclusive use in those two countries. Then they would endeavor to sell these same memoirs and pictures to other European countries, limiting it only to European countries, and take a 30 percent commission on any sales that they made, the remaining 70 percent going to Marina. Mr. REDLICH. Has this contract been signed? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Mr. REDLICH. Do you know when it was signed? Can you approximate the date? Mr. MARTIN. I confirmed it by wire to them. It is in the exhibits. Mr. REDLICH. We have not introduced---- Mr. MARTIN. You haven't come to that yet. Mr. REDLICH. We do not intend to introduce the specific documents into the record, just this summary. Mr. LEECH. Give him an approximate date. Mr. REDLICH. You say it was confirmed by telegram. Mr. MARTIN. Yes, it was confirmed by telegram to Spiegelberg. Mr. LEECH. When? Mr. MARTIN. In New York. December 16 at 2:45 p.m. Mr. REDLICH. The next item on Commission Exhibit No. 325 also refers to Stern Magazine, an item of $2,650. Could you comment on that? Mr. MARTIN. This was a recent development wherein since they could not send an author in to talk to Marina, they purchased seven photographs for a total of $2,650, to take the memoirs later.