Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. The President--President Kennedy sat on the right rear seat. Next to him on the left seat was Mrs. Kennedy. On the right jump seat in front of President Kennedy was Governor Connally. On the left jump seat in front of Mrs. Kennedy was Mrs. Connally. I sat on the right passenger seat of the driver's seat, and Special Agent William Greer drove the vehicle. Mr. SPECTER. How far were you behind the lead car? Mr. KELLERMAN. No more than two or three car lengths. Senator COOPER. What is that? I didn't hear it. Mr. KELLERMAN. No more than two or three car lengths, Senator Cooper. Mr. SPECTER. What car immediately followed the President's car? Mr. KELLERMAN. Our own Secret Service followup car. Mr. SPECTER. What kind of a car was that? Mr. KELLERMAN. This is a 1956 Cadillac, four-door touring car with the top down. Mr. SPECTER. Was that also a special automobile flown in? Mr. KELLERMAN. This is a special automobile, flown in with the President's car; yes, sir; that is correct. Mr. SPECTER. And who were the occupants of that car, indicating their positions in the car? Mr. KELLERMAN. All during this ride in from Love Field Special Agent Sam Kinney was the driver of this automobile. The assistant to the Special Agent in Charge Emory Roberts was sitting in the front seat, the passenger side. This car has running boards. Standing on the front of the left running board was Special Agent Clinton Hill. In back of him on the rear of that same running board on that side was Special Agent William McIntyre. On the right running board standing forward was Special Agent John Ready, and standing in back of him on the rear of the right running board was Special Agent Paul Landis. Mr. SPECTER. Did that automobile have jump seats? Mr. KELLERMAN. This automobile has jump seats. Mr. SPECTER. And what people occupied the jump seats? Mr. KELLERMAN. It was occupied by Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell, who was the appointment secretary of President Kennedy, and Mr. Dave Powers. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know which sat on which side? Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. O'Donnell sat on the left; Mr. Powers sat on the right. Mr. SPECTER. Who was in the back seat of that automobile? Mr. KELLERMAN. The back seat of that automobile on the right side was Special Agent George Hickey, and on the left side Special Agent Glen Bennett. Mr. SPECTER. How were the special agents in the followup car armed, if at all? Mr. KELLERMAN. Each agent carries his own gun. This is a 4-inch revolver on their person. Mr. SPECTER. Would that apply to you and Mr. Greer as well? Mr. KELLERMAN. Absolutely. Mr. SPECTER. Were there any other arms in the President's followup car? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; in this followup car we have what is now known as an AR-15. This is a rifle, and it is on all movements; this vehicle is out of the case; it won't be shown; it could be laying flat on the floor, but she is ready to go.