Then he called back almost immediately. I gather that he had made the call to me on the permission to make a different call and then he got specific permission from the police to make a call to me and the call was identical. Mr. JENNER. This is speculation? Mrs. PAINE. This is speculation but the content of the second call was almost identical. Mr. JENNER. The phone rang? Mrs. PAINE. He asked me to contact John Abt. Mr. JENNER. He identified himself and he asked you to make the call? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. What did he say? Mrs. PAINE. He wanted me to call this lawyer. Mr. JENNER. Did you express any surprise for him to call back almost immediately giving you the same message that he had given previously? Mrs. PAINE. I think somebody must have said, that the officers had said he could call, make this call. Mr. JENNER. Did you say anything about the fact that he had already just called you about the same subject matter? Mrs. PAINE. He may have added. Mr. JENNER. Did you, please? Mrs. PAINE. No. I was quite stunned that he called at all or that he thought he could ask anything of me, appalled, really. Mr. McCLOY. Did he say he was innocent, or did he just have this conversation with respect to the retention of a counsel? Mrs. PAINE. That is all. Mr. JENNER. At no time during either of those conversations did he deny that he was in any way involved in this situation? Mrs. PAINE. He made no reference to why he was at the police station or why he needed a lawyer. Mr. JENNER. He just assumed that you knew he was at the police station, did he? Mrs. PAINE. That is right. Mr. JENNER. That was your impression? Mrs. PAINE. That is right. Mr. JENNER. He didn't say where he was? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. He just started out saying what you now say he said? Mrs. PAINE. That is right. Mr. JENNER. But in no respect did he say to you that he was entirely innocent of any charges that had been made against him? Mrs. PAINE. He did not say that. Mr. JENNER. Did he mention the subject at all of the assassination of the President or the slaying of Officer Tippit? Mrs. PAINE. No; he did not. Mr. JENNER. What you have given is your best recollection of the entire conversation? Mrs. PAINE. That is correct. Representative FORD. This was Saturday afternoon, November 23? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Representative FORD. About what time? Mrs. PAINE. Four, perhaps in the afternoon. Representative FORD. Had you seen him the day before? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. McCLOY. Who was in the house with you when that call came in? Mrs. PAINE. Just my children. Mr. McCLOY. Just your children. Representative FORD. While you were shopping and after the officers had come with a warrant, they went in the house, no one was in the house? Mrs. PAINE. For a portion of the time they were looking, no one was in the house. Representative FORD. They were there alone? Mrs. PAINE. That is right.