Mrs. PAINE. "Well, he doesn't understand the things we are up against or things of this nature." What I remember most clearly is that she didn't seem to care whether he was told the truth or not. Mr. JENNER. What? Mrs. PAINE. Well, that is perhaps a further statement, told the truth about--had it seemed to me a lack of respect on her part. She didn't care what his wishes were in the situation, in other words. And this sticks in my mind. Mr. JENNER. Did you have any conversation with Robert Oswald on the 22d, subsequent to the time that you met him when he first come to the police station? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. Did you on the 23d of November? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. The 24th? Mrs. PAINE. I believe the only other time I saw Robert was some 3 weeks or more later when he came with two other people to pick up the rest of Marina's things. Mr. JENNER. Then from the 22d of November until he came sometime in December you had no conversation with him and you had not seen him? Mrs. PAINE. That is right. Mr. JENNER. You had no contact at all with him? Mrs. PAINE. That is my best recollection. Marina called me around noon on Sunday, the 24th. She said she was with the police, and, of course, this was said in Russian; I don't know whether she meant Secret Service or Irving Police or Dallas Police or what sort, but official. Her husband had already been shot at this time, so it was just after. He had been shot and I had the television on and I knew that. Representative FORD. Did she know it? Mrs. PAINE. I am certain she did. What makes me certain I can't recall definitely. I felt that she was confining herself in her conversation to the things she just had to say. Senator COOPER. What did she say? Mrs. PAINE. She was directing me how to find certain things she needed to have. A winter coat, things for the baby, a little purse with some money in it that she left either on top of the dresser or in a drawer in the bedroom where they had stayed. Mr. JENNER. Did she sound less than cordial---- Mrs. PAINE. Oh, no, she sounded, as I recall it, as a call from a woman who was doing her best to simply achieve the things she had to do but was under a tremendous strain. Mr. JENNER. Was any mention made of the death of her husband? Mrs. PAINE. He was not yet dead, he had been shot but he was not yet dead. Mr. JENNER. Was any mention made between you in this conversation of the fact that Lee Oswald had been shot? Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall such. Mr. JENNER. You didn't mention it? Mrs. PAINE. I did not tell her; no. Mr. JENNER. Did you--it might be natural that you would express sympathy. Did you mention the subject at all, sympathetical or otherwise? Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall mentioning the subject and as I say, I have this distinct feeling that she knew, and I knew she knew but what caused that, I can't identify.