Mr. BALL. And were the cartons that you are talking about containers of books? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, they were. Mr. BALL. Would a checker--would an order filler go to the different floors and take books out of cartons? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. The order filler would have to, in order to fill the order--he would have to move around to each floor, and take the books that he needs. Mr. BALL. Then where would he take the books? Mr. WILLIAMS. Down to the first floor. Mr. BALL. And what was on the first floor? Mr. WILLIAMS. The first floor is where the checkers, the freight, and all--they are checking the books to go out, and also where they wrap the books. Mr. BALL. And were there certain men down there wrapping books? Mr. WILLIAMS. Certain men wrapping, checking, weighing, et cetera. Mr. DULLES. Did you have a schedule somewhere posted up so that you knew which books were on which floor when an order came in? You would know whether to go to the sixth floor or what floor to go to get the particular books that were wanted? Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, as I remember, I don't know too much about the building. Mr. DULLES. You were not in the order filling business? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; not in that department. At the other building. I was just transferred to that building. I don't think you really had any schedule to go by, or anything to show you where the books were. You just asked the older fellows that had been there were certain books--if you are looking for a certain book, they would tell you where to find it. Mr. BALL. This morning, when you think you saw Oswald on the sixth floor, can you tell us about where he was? Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, as I said before, I am not sure that he was really on the sixth floor. But he was always around that way. In the place I think I saw him was as the east elevator come up to the sixth floor, he was on that side of the elevator. Mr. BALL. I have here a diagram of the sixth floor which I will have marked as Exhibit 483. (The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 483 for identification.) Mr. BALL. First of all, this is Houston Street, and the top is north--east and west. Here is Elm Street. Mr. WILLIAMS. This would be the east elevator. Mr. BALL. This is the east elevator, west elevator and the stairway. Now, can you take this and show us about where your men were working laying floor on that sixth floor? Mr. WILLIAMS. I would say---- Mr. BALL. First of all, you take this pencil and put it down there, and then we will make the markings afterwards. Mr. WILLIAMS. This is the west side of the building. Mr. BALL. The area where you were laying floor. Make the outside limits of the area. Mr. WILLIAMS. We were working in this area down there like that. Mr. BALL. In other words, from there to the west, or where? Mr. WILLIAMS. We were working from the west coming this way, coming to the east. And we had got about just so much.