Mr. BALL. Well, let's draw a dark line down there. This marks the area that you saw? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. You had already laid floor from the west side to the dark line? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And you were working right around in the dark line area, were you? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. That morning? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Now, take your pencil and show us about where it was that you saw Oswald that morning. Mr. WILLIAMS. I think I saw Oswald somewhere around in this vicinity. As I was up by this other elevator, I think one time I saw him over there. I am not really sure. Mr. BALL. You have drawn a line here. This is a sort of general area where you say you saw Oswald, is that right? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. We will mark that as "O". That is on the north side of the floor near the east elevator. Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. We will mark that "O". Now, these lines you have marked show your area where you were working. Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. We will mark that W-1 and W-1. Mr. DULLES. Mr. Williams, were all the boxes of books moved out of this area while you were working, or as you finished a part of it, were some boxes put back in? Mr. WILLIAMS. To begin with, I think we were working on the wall first. I don't think we moved too many books in this area. I think we just moved them out and right back in, as I remember. But I think after we got a little further over, I think we had to move some books. We had to move these books to the east side of this building, over here, and those books--I would say this would be the window Oswald shot the President from. We moved these books kind of like in a row like that, kind of winding them around. Mr. DULLES. That is moving them from the west towards the east of the building? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. McCLOY. The window was here? Mr. BALL. That is right. Mr. DULLES. Any other questions on this? Mr. BALL. About what time of day do you think it was you saw Oswald, if you can remember? If you can't remember, don't guess. Mr. WILLIAMS. I cannot remember. Mr. BALL. What time did you knock off work for the lunch hour? Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, approximately--between 11:30 to 12, around in there. I wouldn't say the exact time, because I don't remember the exact time. Mr. BALL. What time do you usually quit for lunch? Mr. WILLIAMS. We always quit about 5 minutes before time. During the rush season we quit about 5 minutes before time and washup. Mr. BALL. Wash your hands and face before you eat lunch? Mr. WILLIAMS. That is right. Mr. BALL. You say quit 5 minutes before time. What is the time? Mr. WILLIAMS. Five before 12. Mr. BALL. Did you quit earlier this day? Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe this day we quit about maybe 5 or 10 minutes, because all of us were so anxious to see the President--we quit a little ahead of time, so that we could wash up and we wanted to be sure we would not miss anything.