Mr. BALL. Now, did you go downstairs? Mr. WILLIAMS. We took two elevators down. I mean, speaking as a group, we took two down. Mr. BALL. Was there some reason you took two down? Mr. WILLIAMS. We always had a little kids game we played racing down with the elevators. And I think one fellow, Charles Givens, had the east elevator, and me, and I think two or three more fellows had the west elevator. And we was racing down. Mr. BALL. Who was driving the west side elevator? Mr. WILLIAMS. I don't remember exactly who was. Mr. BALL. You were not? Mr. WILLIAMS. I don't think I was. I don't remember. Mr. BALL. Who was driving the east side elevator? Mr. WILLIAMS. I think that was Charles Givens. Mr. BALL. Now, did something happen on the way down--did somebody yell out? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; on the way down I heard Oswald--and I am not sure whether he was on the fifth or the sixth floor. But on the way down Oswald hollered "Guys, how about an elevator?" I don't know whether those are his exact words. But he said something about the elevator. And Charles said, "Come on, boy," just like that. And he said, "Close the gate on the elevator and send the elevator back up." I don't know what happened after that. Representative FORD. Had the elevator gone down below the floor from which he yelled? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; I believe it was. I assume it was the fifth or the sixth. The reason I could not tell whether it was the sixth or the fifth is because I was on the opposite elevator, and if you are not thinking about it it is kind of hard to judge which floor, if you started moving. Representative FORD. The elevator did not go back up to the floor from which he yelled? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Mr. DULLES. Did he ask the gate be closed on the elevator? Mr. WILLIAMS. I think he asked Charles Givens--I think he said, "Close the gate on the elevator, or send one of the elevators back up." I think that is what he said. Mr. McCLOY. That is in order that he would have an elevator to come down when he wanted to come down? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. On the 23d of November 1963, you talked to two FBI agents according to the record I have here, Bardwell Odum and Will Griffin, and they reported that you said that as they were going down, that you saw Lee on the fifth floor. Mr. WILLIAMS. I told him the fifth or the sixth. I told him I wasn't sure about it. Mr. BALL. And were you sure at that time? Mr. WILLIAMS. About which floor it was? Mr. BALL. Yes. Mr. WILLIAMS. No; I wasn't. Mr. BALL. Are you sure today? Mr. WILLIAMS. I am not sure today. Mr. BALL. But you think it was the fifth or the sixth floor? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Are you sure it was Oswald you talked to? Mr. WILLIAMS. I am sure it was Oswald. I didn't talk to him. Mr. BALL. But you heard him? Mr. WILLIAMS. I heard him. Mr. BALL. You went down to the first floor. What did you do?