Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, personally I did not know he had been hit, but I think Harold--I remember--I don't know whether he said or not--but I think he said he saw him slump. So from that I think we all assumed he had been shot at. Mr. DULLES. One of the other two? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; I think it was. Mr. DULLES. Said that? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; I believe that is what he said. Anyway, we knew he had been shot at. Mr. BALL. After you left this corner window in the southwest corner that we have shown you the picture of as 488, where did you go? Mr. WILLIAMS. Then we moved over to another window on the west side of the building. Mr. BALL. Let's go back to the diagram of the fifth floor, 487, and you show me where that window was. Mr. WILLIAMS. It was one of these windows, I believe it was this window here, I believe. Maybe it was this window. I would say this window. Mr. BALL. All right. We will mark that Z--window Z. Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And the other day, Friday, March 20th, when we were in Dallas, you three men went to that same window, didn't you? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And you had your picture taken? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. That is 489. (The described document was marked Commission Exhibit No. 489 for identification.) Mr. BALL. Is that about it? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Why did you go there and look in that direction? Mr. WILLIAMS. Because, as I said before, the policeman was running toward the tracks. Mr. BALL. The tracks shown in this picture? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I believe that is the parking lot right here. Mr. BALL. And the tracks are shown in there, aren't they? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And were people running towards the tracks? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; the policemen were. Representative FORD. Mr. Ball, I hate to interrupt, but I do have to go to a call of the House. I wonder if I could ask one question right here. I dislike breaking up the sequence. Mr. Williams, when did you first know that the President's motorcade would come by the Texas School Book Depository? Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I never did know the exact time. But I think my wife had mentioned it before that Friday. She had told me, because I never did have too much time reading the paper. And that morning, that Friday morning, we was on the sixth floor, and I think some fellows mentioned it to me again, some of the fellows working with me. Representative FORD. You did not know the motorcade was coming by your building until Friday morning? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I didn't know the exact way it was coming, because I hadn't been reading the papers. Representative FORD. You had not read the paper the day before? Mr. WILLIAMS. About the only thing I would read in the paper in the mornings before I leave home would be the sports. Representative FORD. Was it discussed in the building that morning of November 22d that the motorcade was coming by the Texas School Book Depository?