Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe I heard a couple of fellows say--I don't remember exactly who it was--but I believe I heard them say the motorcade was coming around that way. Representative FORD. But it was not until Friday that you personally knew it was coming by the building? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. DULLES. I would like to ask one question here. When you were on the sixth floor eating your lunch, did you hear anything that made you feel that there was anybody else on the sixth floor with you? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I didn't hear anything. Mr. DULLES. You did not see anything? Mr. WILLIAMS. I did not see anything. Mr. DULLES. You were all alone as far as you knew at that time on the sixth floor? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. DULLES. During that period of from 12 o'clock about to--10 or 15 minutes after? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I felt like I was all alone. That is one of the reasons I left--because it was so quiet. Mr. McCLOY. When you saw Oswald that morning, was he carrying any package? Did you see any bundle or package with him? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I didn't see anything other than the clipboard with the orders on it that he was filling, as I remember. Mr. McCLOY. How many shots did you hear fired? Mr. WILLIAMS. I heard three shots. But at first I told the FBI I only heard two--they took me down--because I was excited, and I couldn't remember too well. But later on, as everything began to die down, I got my memory even a little better than on the 22d, I remembered three shots, because there was a pause between the first two shots. There was two real quick. There was three shots. Mr. BALL. Did you hear anything upstairs at all? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I didn't hear anything. Mr. BALL. Any footsteps? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Probably the reason we didn't hear anything is because, you know, after the shots we were running, too, and that was making a louder noise. Mr. BALL. You really ran? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; we ran. And that was probably making a lot of noise. Mr. BALL. Now, I'm going to hold this up. I don't know whether everybody can see it or not---- Mr. DULLES. Could I ask one question in connection with your last question? Did you hear either of the elevators going up or down while you were eating your meal? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I did not. Mr. DULLES. You didn't hear the elevators at all? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Mr. DULLES. If an elevator had come to that floor, would you have heard it then? Mr. WILLIAMS. That all depends---- Mr. DULLES. Were they noisy elevators? The operation of the doors and so forth? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. The elevator that I came up on to the sixth floor, if you would listen--say you were listening for the boss, you could hear, because you would be paying attention. The elevator is worked by hand pedal. When you release the hand pedal it makes a noise. It bangs--or maybe you can hear the old elevator when it is first coming up. But at that time I did not hear anything.