Mr. BALL. You are sitting there looking out a window. How does that picture compare with what you remember as to your position when the President's motorcade went by? Mr. NORMAN. Well, I don't think--I think I was facing the window more straight during that time, I mean the motorcade, that I am in this position here. Mr. BALL. That picture shows you looking out the window down the street, is that right? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. And this is a picture of Bonnie Ray also, isn't it? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. Now you saw the President go by, did you? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. What happened then? Mr. NORMAN. About the time that he got past the window where I was, well, it seems as though he was, I mean you know, brushing his hair. Maybe he was looking to the public. Mr. McCLOY. Saluting? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. With which arm? Mr. NORMAN. I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at the President," and I think I made a statement "It is someone shooting at the President, and I believe it came from up above us." Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know I heard a third shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded as though it was to me. Mr. BALL. How many shots did you hear? Mr. NORMAN. Three. Mr. BALL. Do you remember whether or not you said anything to the men then as to whether or not you heard anything from above you? Mr. NORMAN. Only I think I remember saying that I thought I could hear the shell hulls and the ejection of the rifle. I didn't tell I think I hear anybody moving, you know. Mr. BALL. But you thought, do you remember you told the men then that you thought you heard the ejection of the rifle? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And shells on the floor? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Falling? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything as to where they thought the shots came from? Mr. NORMAN. Well, I don't recall of either one of them saying they thought where it came from. Mr. BALL. But you did? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. And you said you thought it came from where? Mr. NORMAN. Above where we were, above us. Mr. BALL. Did you see any dust or dirt falling? Mr. NORMAN. I didn't see any falling but I saw some in Bonnie Ray Williams' hair. Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything about it? Mr. NORMAN. I believe Jarman told him that it was in his hair first. Then I, you know, told him it was and I believe Jarman told him not to brush it out his hair but I think he did anyway. Mr. BALL. After that happened, what did you do? Mr. NORMAN. Well, we ran to the farthest window facing the expressway.