Mr. BALL. And did you have the pop in your hand, too? Mr. JARMAN. Yes; I had a sandwich in one hand and pop in the other. Mr. BALL. You say you wandered around, you mean on the first floor? Mr. JARMAN. On the first floor. Mr. BALL. Were you with anybody when you were at the window? Did you talk to anybody? Mr. JARMAN. No; I did not. Mr. BALL. Were you with anybody when you were walking around finishing your sandwich? Mr. JARMAN. No; I wasn't. I was trying to get through so I could get out on the street. Mr. BALL. Did you see Lee Oswald? Mr. JARMAN. No; I didn't. Mr. BALL. After his arrest, he stated to a police officer that he had had lunch with you. Did you have lunch with him? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. When you finished your sandwich and your bottle of pop, what did you do? Mr. JARMAN. I throwed the paper that I had the sandwich in in the box over close to the telephone and I took the pop bottle and put it in the case over by the Dr. Pepper machine. Mr. BALL. And then what did you do? Mr. JARMAN. Then I went out in front of the building. Mr. BALL. With who? Mr. JARMAN. Harold Norman, Bonnie Ray, and Danny Arce and myself. Mr. BALL. You say Bonnie Ray Williams? Mr. JARMAN. Bonnie Ray Williams. Mr. BALL. Do you remember him going with you? Mr. JARMAN. No; I am sorry. Excuse me, but it was Harold Norman and myself and Daniel Arce. Mr. BALL. What about Billy Lovelady? Mr. JARMAN. I didn't go out with them. They came out later. Mr. BALL. Did you see Billy Lovelady out there? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Where was he? Mr. JARMAN. Standing on the stairway as you go out the front door. Mr. BALL. Where did you stand? Mr. JARMAN. I was standing over to the right in front of the building going toward the west. Mr. BALL. Were you on the sidewalk or curb? Mr. JARMAN. On the sidewalk. Mr. BALL. The sidewalk in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How long did you stand there? Mr. JARMAN. Well, until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25. Mr. BALL. Who do you remember was standing near you that worked with you in the Book Depository? Mr. JARMAN. Harold Norman and Charles Givens and Daniel Arce. Mr. BALL. What about Mr. Truly? Mr. JARMAN. He wasn't standing close to me. Mr. BALL. Did you see him? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Who was he with? Mr. JARMAN. He was with the Vice President of the company. Mr. BALL. What is his name? Mr. JARMAN. O. V. Campbell. Mr. BALL. Where were they standing? Mr. JARMAN. They were standing at the corner of the building in front of the mail boxes. Mr. BALL. You left there, didn't you, and went some place? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. With whom? Mr. JARMAN. Harold Norman and myself. Mr. BALL. Where did you go? Mr. JARMAN. We went around to the back of the building up to the fifth floor. Mr. BALL. You say you went around. You mean you went around the building? Mr. JARMAN. Right.